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LIV Is Falling Apart

We already figured this was the case, but further confirmation came Wednesday evening:

LIV Golf won’t be supported by the Saudi Public Investment Fund after this season.

According to a report by the Wall Street Journal, LIV plans to tell players and staff by Thursday that the circuit’s primary source of funding—essentially all of its funding—is being pulled after the 2026 campaign concludes.

This is no surprise to those who have been following this saga over the past couple of weeks. Numerous reports emerged earlier this month stating that the Saudi’s were backing out of LIV. This coincided with the PIF’s five-year vision being announced. Notably, LIV wasn’t mentioned in that vision.

And then Golf Digest just reported that representatives for multiple LIV players have contacted the PGA Tour to discuss a potential return.

“People familiar with the conversations say a path back to the PGA Tour will exist, though the conditions are expected to be considerably more restrictive than those granted to Brooks Koepka,” the article reads.

To add insult to injury, LIV Louisiana was postponed for financial reasons surrounding the tournament. As it stands, LIV has no tournaments between June 7 and July 23—and it’s entirely possible that future events get axed as some players may sit out as they want to get a head start on serving their suspensions for a return to the Tour.

This has all happened recently but the writing has been on the wall for much longer than a couple weeks.

Although the Saudis have poured several billion dollars into LIV, the product never really gained traction with a U.S. audience. Ratings were comically low throughout the league’s four-year history. There were a few positives over the years—such as tremendous events in Australia and South Africa—but it was abundantly clear that LIV had no future commercially.

The only reason for its existence was that LIV was willing to be an irrational actor, paying golfers well north of market value to secure their services.

This is the end of LIV Golf as we know it

There has been a lot of blustery talk from LIV backers, including CEO Scott O’Neil and Ian Poulter.

The reality here is that LIV has never had a functional business. It has been bleeding money by the hundreds of millions. It only secured the services of players like Bryson DeChambeau because he was given a gargantuan contract (now looking for a new contract, DeChambeau reportedly wants north of $400 million).

I am sure there will be efforts made to secure other funding, but even the rosiest outlook would have LIV looking totally unrecognizable.

There is talk about national opens being co-opted by LIV to become an international tour. There is some validity to the idea but the DP World Tour has been on this beat for decades—and the corporate sponsorship available is limited.

The corporate money in professional golf resides mainly in the U.S. market. That is why LIV insisted on playing nearly half of its events in the U.S. despite the success of certain tournaments in other countries.

The bottom line is that LIV will never be the same.

Can it still exist in the future? Yes. But barring some miracle investor who doesn’t care about return on investment, the LIV venture will be a much, much smaller and less disruptive play than before.

How will LIV players come back to the PGA Tour?

The Tour has some decisions to make with how to handle LIV players.

“There were rules, and they were broken,” Tour chief executive Brian Rolapp said recently. “With rules comes accountability.” 

Unless there is a new returning member program like we saw earlier this year when Brooks Koepka came back on Tour, LIV players will have to serve a suspension of at least one year before getting back on Tour.

Koepka had already gotten out of his LIV contract, which made a return simpler. DeChambeau, Jon Rahm and Cameron Smith rejected opportunities to come back immediately with minimal consequence (they might be regretting that move now).

And in terms of qualifying, most players would need to go through the normal channels—DP World Tour, Korn Ferry Tour, Q-School, etc.—to regain their full-time membership.

Patrick Reed is on his way back to the Tour have playing well in Europe. But he will have served a year suspension. Reed had resigned his Tour membership prior to playing for LIV, so he didn’t violate any rules. Some LIV players did not do that and could be facing longer suspensions.

There are also 11 players who joined an antitrust suit against the Tour early in LIV’s tenure. They are expected to face additional scrutiny. DeChambeau, Poulter, Phil Mickelson and Talor Gooch were a part of that suit.

Although LIV as a whole pushed the Tour to make changes and increase purses, there is still “scar tissue” with how certain players left.

“I don’t necessarily have scar tissue, but there are plenty of people around our tour who do,” Rolapp said. “It has to be accounted for in some shape or form.” 

Reading between the lines, LIV players are not going to be welcomed back with open arms. It’s possible new rules are put in place to provide certain pathways back—or the Tour could rely on its current structure.

What do you think of the situation? Let me know below in the comments.

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      Papa Bogey

      1 month ago

      I really don’t hate LIV, but I definitely don’t like it. I did try to watch a couple times, and not to be mean, maybe it was just not understanding the team concept, but it was unwatchable.

      And a retired NFL player once said about the big contracts being signed “never count another man’s money.” So, I don’t begrudge the money any of those players made. I know if at anytime during my career someone offered me 10x what I was earning, I’d take it. Some have called it generational wealth. I don’t think I could pass that up.

      And don’t think LIV is alone in PIF money. Tennis, European soccer and F1 are all swimming and heavily reliant on PIF money.

      There are paths back for LIV players. But only the best. Qualify via Q School, Korn Ferry or the DP Tour. No sponsor exemptions. Fines for the players that didn’t resign and sued the PGA Tour.

      No hate, but I am glad this LIV saga is done and we can move on.

      Reply

      Brock Meyers

      1 month ago

      The question about deferred compensation for LIV players is huge. LIV now has no financial incentive to make good on those payments as further monetary bloodletting makes no sense. Deferred compensation checks may be “lost in the mail” forever.

      Reply

      Mike Gerosa

      1 month ago

      If I’m a PGA player I’m so happy LIV came about. Would PGA players have had $20,000,000. signature events if LIV didn’t provide competition to the PGA? PGA players are now paid like other major sport athletes which will enhance golf’s future. Agree most LIV players should need to qualify for PGA, but LIV major winners should be offered Koepka like re-entry to help PGA TV ratings. DeChambeau and Rahm should rejoin now and pay fines.

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      John Paton

      1 month ago

      Once again I have never been a LIV fan but at the end of the day all that these guys did was change their employer and whilst I have read plenty from the media in America that suggests the PGA Tour has never been accused of being overly “principled” there were nonetheless rules that the PGA Tour, as an employer, had in place, and which players signed up for – these rules were broken and in any argument for a return to any other tour any conditions set by that tour, regardless of who the player is, should be applied – the fact that one or two of them won one or more majors should not be a factor – for some players that may be said to be an easy road but just as they are required to pay the penalties for rules broken in one circumstance they should reap the benefits of those rules that are less penalising in another circumstance – Patrick Reed and some newer additions to LIV may have different circumstances – if the PGA Tour sticks to their rules I’ll reconsider any media reporting that they lack principles.

      Reply

      Toppakrat

      1 month ago

      I have no sympathy for any LIV player. The only reason that LIV players made the money they did was because of their success on the PGA tour. Based on their PGA notoriety they abandoned the PGA and literally gave the PGA the middle finger.

      I also add I hated LIV because of the potential SAUDI connection and 9/11.
      Oh how quickly we forget!

      Last but not least, Greg Norman should stay “DOWN UNDER” where he belongs for the rest of his life.
      His legacy “Instead of growing the game he attempted to destroy it”.

      Reply

      Alan

      1 month ago

      It is inappropriate to criticise PGA players for transferring to LIV. The money they received was life changing. All of the PGA players have a short playing careers with the PGA ensuring they are disqualified when no longer competitive in order to maximise profits for the PGA.
      Both LIV and PGA are businesses first and sports second, with loyalty only to succesful players.
      Players are professionals seeking to maximise earnings during an all to brief playing career.

      Reply

      Mike

      1 month ago

      So if someone offered you ‘generational wealth’ to move to a different company (work-wise), you wouldn’t take it? I’m calling BS on that one, sport.

      Reply

      Carl

      1 month ago

      I heard a lot of the money was deferred. That would really make it interesting. The Saudi’s have stiffed people before…..

      Reply

      Alex

      1 month ago

      Isn’t it ironic that the PGA is playing this week at the course(Trump Doral) owned with one of LIV’s biggest and powerful US backers? Once that deal at Trump Doral was inked, you could kiss any chance of the DOJ antitrust suit ever being revived, giving the PGA more leverage in any “negotiation” with PIF.

      Nothing stops Rahm from paying his fines to DPWT and doing the same. If Cam Smith ever refinds his game, he can join the Australasian tour and play the events he’s exempt in like the Open Championship. DeChambeau will probably youtube his way around, still not being able to hit a fade iron shot when the conditions demand it (i.e., hook wind, really firm green) and play where he is exempt. Phil is probably persona non grata, even on the senior tour. The Gooches of the world (PGA guys who left without resigning) can qualify via KornFerry and likely pay fines to the tour.

      Reply

      Southern Mike

      1 month ago

      The essence of any return program needs to be that LIV golfers need to qualify for the tour same as anyone else. No short cuts.

      Reply

      Mr. Dirt

      1 month ago

      Oh, no!… anyway…

      Reply

      ArchieBunker

      1 month ago

      The best justice would be if LIV pulls the plug suddenly and stiffs the players with rubber checks that bounce.

      Reply

      Kevin V

      1 month ago

      Keep it simple- those who rejected the PGA olive branch will need to go thru the standard process to make it to the PGA. Sponsorship exemptions should only be used for PGA members in good standing. I figure several lower level LIV players will not be able to get into the PGA on their own merit

      Reply

      Chris

      1 month ago

      Not the most sympathetic characters on that tour so a bit hard to feel too sorry for anyone. Wonder if there will ever be any actual Mea Culpa from some of the principles involved like ” you know we really were not trying to grow the game and reinvent golf we really just wanted a large bag of money and less work to do, and no one really thought through is anyone really asking for this?”. No one was asking for this, now quietly go away. I am happy if all that comes back is Hatton, Rahm and Bryson. If the rest of the LIV players all retired tomorrow capital G golf would not be 0.1% worse off.

      Reply

      Fake

      1 month ago

      The article about Koepka splitting from Srixon on the front page quotes him from a podcast saying it was all for the money. At least someone said it.

      Reply

      Mike

      1 month ago

      Of course it was for the $…DUH!!! If someone offered me generational wealth to leave my current employer, I’d trip running out the door. So would all the haters on this thread. Anyone that says they wouldn’t is either already incredibly wealthy or a liar.

      Alex

      1 month ago

      Harold Varner III said he was doing it for his kids to have generational wealth, and called growing the game explanation a bunch of BS

      Reply

      Mike

      1 month ago

      BINGO! I appreciate he was honest about it. And to all those “growing the game” proponents…most courses around me are so crowded; many of the newbies don’t know (or care) rules/etiquette or who really should NOT be on a golf course during ‘prime time’. I’ve seen people play the blue (i.e back ones at my course) tees because it was their favorite color! I introduced my kids to golf the ‘right’ way…learning about rules/etiquette, then a few lessons & then initially playing during uncrowded times.

      I’m all in favor of ‘growing the game’ as long as you’re doing it in the foursome BEHIND me.

      Hopp Man

      1 month ago

      Hey maybe they can go join that Australian tour one of the LIV bot posters tried to tell me all about, then they can fly back and forth and make all that Aussie money.

      Nobody will miss, scurgio, polter, gooch, Mickelson et al, the tour did just fine without them. The real losers are the players that came straight from college, took the money and will now be pariahs in a sense, maybe they can go to Q school since they were never technically PGA tour members, but the reality is most of them are nobodies and their lack of presence won’t be missed.

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      OCB

      1 month ago

      Why should players coming out of college be considered pariahs? At that point they had no affiliation to the PGAT and were simply looking at the economics of it and taking a higher paying job. It’s people like Bryson, DJ, Rahm, etc, who were already making extremely good money, that feel like the biggest traitors to me because for them it looks purely greed driven.

      Reply

      Sonoma Valley Tom

      1 month ago

      “…But barring some miracle investor who doesn’t care about return on investment…” No business entity in the world fits that criteria.
      Future of LIV as a non-profit charity entity? Players donate their time unpaid? They write off their contributions for tax purposes? (Maximum write off for non-itemized contribution is $1,000 in the IRS rules). Bye, bye LIV.

      Reply

      Mark R

      1 month ago

      Why does the PGA Tour care that players who joined LIV now wish to return? How did LIV players harm the PGA? The “defectors” made it a lot easier for Scottty and Rory to win each week without having to play against Bryson, Rambo, Gooch, etc. PGA Tour prize money didn’t shrink; it grew.

      Just let the LIV guys qualify back into the PGA Tour like any other player. Nobody should be penalized for leaving the Tour for a few years.

      Tom Watson’s desire to ban LIV players from returning is simply stupid and off base.

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      Anthony Ingoglia

      1 month ago

      Many accumulated multi millions of dollars. They made more in 4 years than the average person makes in 4 lifetimes. I hope the PGA treats them all the same. No special treatment because they can draw a crowd.

      Reply

      Steve

      1 month ago

      All LIV players must earn their way back in, plus fines if they violated their PGA contract. Special financial penalties for those who sued the Tour. The Tour will be just fine if none of them return!!

      Reply

      Mike

      1 month ago

      No, IF they got their competitive fire back, the Tour w/b greatly benefitted by their return. It’s hard enough watching a bunch of nobodys most weeks.

      Reply

      John M

      1 month ago

      I’d like to thank LIV and their players for giving me back my weekends. I haven’t watched weekend golf in years, except for the occasional back 9 of a major if I’m interested in who’s in contention. That will continue as I have no interest on ever watching any of the LIV players ever again.

      Reply

      Casey G

      1 month ago

      Another example of sports in America. The money is more important than the game, the team or the fans. You have made your bed, now sleep in it.

      Reply

      Fake

      1 month ago

      Does this not happen in other sports outside of the US?

      Reply

      Aland

      1 month ago

      PGA Tour needs to consider their fans. Most did not support LIV (to say the least) and may lose interest in the PGA Tour should they welcome back those that renegades that abandoned the tour. Generational money for sure, but now it’s time for those LIV players to use that generational money, join a club, and play mornings with the “guys” at the club. If they want to come out on tour – qualify for Korn Ferry or DP and re-earn the right. Plus, get ready for the same treatment senior AM’s got when they tried to play Senior Tour.

      Reply

      Rob231

      1 month ago

      Those players who want to return to the PGA tour should have to go through the Q School to prove they are good enough to be on the Tour.
      Just my two cents worth.

      Reply

      Dave R.

      1 month ago

      Taylor Gooch is the best iron player on the planet – LIV told me. He should be given full status on day 1. And let’s not forget – Rory’s Masters wins get an asterisk because Taylor wasn’t in the field.

      Reply

      RocDog26

      1 month ago

      The Gooches need to be wiped off the face of the Earth. From his Uncle/Father/ “dating” then marrying a Midwest City OK “cheerleader” to Gary Gooch (could be the father?) just living in is what now the crumbling ashes of LIV golf. Enjoy your $$$. At least I have a relatively clear conscience unlike the Gooches who have none.

      DA

      1 month ago

      I agree with that, if they qualify like anybody else, then they should play. I’ll leave the vindictiveness to others.

      I don’t really care about the loyalty stuff, or how much money they made going to LIV, it is really none of my business. If the PGA wants to “punish” them, that’s their business, not mine. If not, then that’s fine too. Either way isn’t going make my life any better, or worse. I got my own problems.

      The ball rollback issue bothers me a lot more.

      Reply

      Alex

      1 month ago

      Harold Varner III said he was doing it for his kids to have generational wealth, and called growing the game explanation a bunch of BS

      Gary T

      1 month ago

      So Rahm wasn’t prepared to commit to play, what was it, six DP World Tour events annually. I wonder how he’s feeling about having to play a full schedule on the DPWT. Having paid all his fines first, of course!

      Reply

      James A

      1 month ago

      I think they-former Liv players should be fne, financially they all made way more than they would have in the PGA. To come back they should go through the standard process

      Reply

      Dalilama8455

      1 month ago

      Cry me a river for LIV. Those players who left, let alone sued, should now be forced to pay dearly. Good luck to DeChamDumbo on getting that $400 million contract from anyone now. Maybe he can find a job at OPEC golf…

      Reply

      Golfnut56

      1 month ago

      I hope none of the LIV golfers are let back in. They made their choice, let them live with it. I was always told you cant eat your cake and have it too! Good riddance to the money hungry golfers.

      Reply

      RC Cola

      1 month ago

      Didn’t some of the defectors to LIV say they wanted to grow the game of golf as one of several reasons for going to LIV?

      Well, I wonder if they took metrics on how much they grew the game of golf?
      Ha!!! That statement cracked me up!

      In my opinion, one person grew the game of golf in 1997 (at The Masters) to what it has become today and the future.

      Reply

      Kevyn Nightingale

      1 month ago

      Wouldn’t LIV players have the ability to re-join the tour by playing Q-school, just like any other aspirant? I’m not knowledgeable in the rules for joining, but DeChambeau, Poulter, Mickelson and Gooch likely would have a pretty easy time of it against D-1 guys.

      Reply

      Michael Wetzel

      1 month ago

      All the steps Patrick Reed took prior to joining and separating from LIV sure make him look like a genius

      Reply

      Ben

      1 month ago

      Couldn’t agree more.

      Dave D

      1 month ago

      They are still suspended for at least a year from the last LIV tournament they play. And some of them may have additional punishment/suspension depending on their personal circumstances (i.e. did they resign their PGAT membership like Reed did, did they sue the PGA Tour, are they Rahm or Mickelson who did more harm than anyone?).

      Reply

      Bigman

      1 month ago

      LIV is an absolute garbage product. It is unwatchable. Chamblee was also correct on his views. I knew it was dead because my 15 year old son and his friends never watched so it had no future.

      Reply

      Scout

      1 month ago

      Couldn’t agree more. LIV is LITERALLY unwatchable. If the young ones don’t get it, no one will. I hope they leave the Fehertys and all those similar hangers-on in Saudi too. Just bring back a few big names and let the others fade away. They gave way their principles and took the risk in return for money and — now failed — promises…..

      Reply

      Rich Butler

      1 month ago

      LIV Golf is Dead! Ding Dong the witch is dead, Hi Ho!
      Players asking to return must follow the rules! Korn Ferry play and working back into the PGA ranks sounds appropriate! Of course with other monetary penalties for their jumping ship!!

      Reply

      Mike

      1 month ago

      You do realize many of the LIV crowd are multi millionaires & thus couldn’t care less about you.

      Reply

      Fake

      1 month ago

      It was always “when”, not “if” for LIV’s demise. You didn’t need to be an accountant or finance expert to see that it was unsustainable from the beginning. I hope the players who cashed in were good with their money, as I question how many of them are good enough to return to the PGA.

      Reply

      Adam

      1 month ago

      Great point indeed. I wonder how much they actually got paid and if they will see it. Sounds like most of the deals were quarterly payments or deferred.

      Reply

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