SuperSpeed Sues The Stack System For False Advertising
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SuperSpeed Sues The Stack System For False Advertising

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SuperSpeed Sues The Stack System For False Advertising

SuperSpeed, which I think is fair to say was the first swing speed training system, has sued The Stack System, a competitor founded by noted golf biomechanist Sasho Mackenzie and Marty Jertson, a long-time PING engineer and Tour competitor, for false advertising.

SuperSpeed and its representatives claim that The Stack System has engaged in a marketing campaign to mislead consumers about the real-world gains its product produces.

It’s worth mentioning that members of the MyGolfSpy Staff and our community members have used The Stack System, SuperSpeed, and Rypstick, a third competitor.

Our experience (and that of our community members) suggests that all three tools work. As with many things in golf, the one that’s right for you likely depends on your budget, your use case, and more generally, your preference.

The larger point is that when golfers stick to the program, any of the three are likely to deliver more swing speed.

That said, this issue isn’t about whether or not the Stack System works; it’s entirely about whether it works as well as the company’s marketing implies.

SuperSpeed’s Complaint

You can read the full complaint at the bottom of this post, but the laundry list of complaints asserts that (among other things):

◼️ Stack System’s [sic] produces inflated metrics later used to, [sic] mislead and deceive consumers.

◼️ Stack System’s marketing materials inflate apparent swing speed and distance gains through selective presentment of data without qualification that purported gains are not the result, in whole or part, of its training protocol and products.

A good bit of the rest of the list revolves around the The Stack’s algorithms, the language the company uses to describe swings, and whether it’s reasonable to claim a “real result”, “real gain” or that results are “proven in the field” when distance gain claims are not measured after a drive at a golf course or driving range.

Semantics or gotcha? That’s for the court to decide.

There are also some specific examples of Stack System social media posts that SuperSpeed and its representatives believe to be misleading (you’ll find those embedded in the complaint).

The complaint (embedded below) is a reasonably quick read, so I encourage you to take a look.

What SupersSpeed Wants

As far as what SuperSpeed hopes to get out of this is concerned …

In addition to the requisite cease and desist stuff, SuperSpeed is seeking:

◼️ A judgment that the Stack System has disseminated false and/or misleading information in violation of federal and Illinois law.

◼️ The deletion of all false advertising distributed and recall of all packaging containing false advertising and a requirement that Stack System issue notices (written or otherwise) to that effect to all current distributors and retailers of its products and all distributors with whom Stack System has done business in the past eighteen months.

◼️ Written confirmation within 30 days of an injunction detailing the manner and form in which Stack System has complied.

◼️ An order that Stack System disseminate corrective advertising informing consumers, the trade, and the public of Stack System’s unlawful conduct.

And it wouldn’t be a lawsuit without monetary relief in the form of:

◼️ 3X all profits received by Stack System as a result of its unlawful actions.

◼️ 3X all damages sustained by SuperSpeed (as a result of Stack System’s actions)

◼️ The cost of the action

◼️All reasonable attorney fees

◼️ All other relief to which SuperSpeed are entitled and such other or additional relief as just and proper.

To explain why SuperSpeed has filed suit, the company’s lawyer provided the following statement:

Thoughts for the Road

Market share data for the swing speed training space isn’t readily available, but it’s safe to assume that The Stack System has gobbled up a significant portion of what would otherwise have been SuperSpeed business.

The increased competition may not be working to the company’s benefit.

While an actual court might someday render the only verdict that matters (there are no guarantees this goes to trial), there’s surely to be a good bit of discussion in the court of public opinion as to whether SuperSpeed has a legitimate cause for complaint or if this might be a case of sour grapes over a competitor building a better mousetrap.

Have you used The Stack System? If so, do you feel you were misled?

SuperSpeed LLC v. The Stack System GP, Inc. and The Stack System, LP

MyGolfSpy has reached out to representatives of The Stack System for comment, but did not hear back as of the time of publish.

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      Riccardo

      5 days ago

      What a waste of time and money. I use The Stack System and find it a credible and supportive product. Not counting added benefits from The Stack Systems program, just swinging weighted and light shafts together with a regular stretching and exercise routine will increase your strength and flexibility. End result will be greater club speed. Personally, use of this product has resulted in more consistent drives 10% or greater.

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      Edward w

      6 days ago

      Had superspeed and couldn’t stick with the protocols. Sold it and bought the stack. My max swing speed after three months with the stack is up around 17 mph (I was way too careful swinging before). I don’t know what my on-course swing speed is but I know I carry it with an “easy” swing a about ten yards further than my total distance used to be. Admittedly I never looked at what the advertising said I should have gained but I have to imagine my results aren’t typical. I’m kind of addicted to it and it’s gotten me back in the gym 3-4 times a week. The app totally gamifies things and it feeds my nerdiness with all the metrics. Gotta say I’m more than pleased. Always do Dr MacKenzie’s warm up beforehand and now know every line he says. Just remember to easy into swinging the club “even though we’re really warm”.

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      MMMinCRCO

      7 days ago

      Sure sounds like Sour Grapes.

      Had purchased SuperSpeed a few years ago before I knew of the Stack System.

      I side with Stack and if I could do it all over again, I’d be a Stack golfer.

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      Vito

      7 days ago

      This looks like a move from someone that is being bested in the marketplace. Wouldn’t be surprised if Stack counter sues for a ‘frivolous’ claim . Having been in the middle these conflicts while working for a manufacturer the only ones that seem to get resolved positively for the party suing is for patent infringement. Even then only when it’s obvious. This may not make it past early stages.

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      HikingMike

      7 days ago

      Interesting. It sounds like they aren’t disputing much except that Stack exaggerates their results. That is a legit claim. Will this force Stack to have to provide results to prove their advertising? How does this get proved out? Who provides the data? Will there be a way to trigger some kind of truly independent test? Or if that’s threatened, perhaps one party knows it won’t work out for them and there will be a settlement. If there is a settlement, we probably won’t know the result. But we can watch to see if Stack’s advertising changes and judge the result from that. If they lower their claimed results, then they were indeed exaggerating and the callout by SuperSpeed was successful.

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      Sam

      1 week ago

      Interesting how the legal statement provides a commitment to competition but the lawsuit requests compensation due to competition.

      Better hope Sasho does not show up with the PGA tour data from it’s players that have used the Stack. I bet this does not make it past discovery and the show/cause hearing. Just like Trackman vs Flightscope and Trackman vs GSPro they have to try because they are losing market share. We might get to see the data from discovery. Any chance you guys at MyGolfSpy can publish it?

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      Mark Smolens

      1 week ago

      After 30 months away from the game due to an injury, I re-started my golf workout routine in February. I’m 66. I purchased the Stack. My initial CHS with the driver (no ball, just swinging) after 2.5 years with no golf had gone down to 83 mph. After religiously completing the Foundation series, my CHS was up to 97 mph. I’m now working on the Full Speed Spectrum series. When hitting a ball with the driver, my CHS is in the low 90s. I use the Stack warmup and Speed Priming sessions before my rounds of golf. I love the algorithm, and find no merit in the spurious claims in the SS lawsuit.

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      Gus

      1 week ago

      I’ve used, and continue to use, the stack. Had tremendous speed gains after my first Foundational program. All speed gains since have been incremental. In about a year of using, I’m basically 2 club’s longer throughout my bag. Never found any of their advertising to be misleading based on my own similar experience

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      Max R

      1 week ago

      I’ve been using The Stack for the past three years. As a 71-year old (Baby Boomer), my main focus was to maintain and potentially increase my CHS while improving my physical health. I use Dr. Sasho Mackenzie’s WarmUp every time I work out as well as prior to a golf game, I use one of the two Special Sessions within the AI App to get me in a competitive mode to swing freely and effectively. The new Putting App is a “free-bee” option that is not available by its competitors. The significant difference between The Stack and its closest competitors is the AI personalized App. It not only knows but learns as you move through the very different programs. The data it collects and monitors is tailored-made for the user as the user grows through the program(s). There are a variety of operational conditioning techniques used to motivate the user. There are a variety of variables that the software/program use that are different from others. I haven’t used the other competitors products however, they do not include the wealth of data intelligence that The Stack provides.

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      Rob H.

      1 week ago

      I’ve used both. I prefer the Stack for the following reasons:

      1. The app and programs incentivize me to stay consistent.
      2. The Bluetooth radar makes it really easy.
      3. The estimated distance gains provide immediate feedback.

      Do I think both work – yes. Is it easier to stick with the Stack – yes.
      Is the estimated distance a bit juiced – yes.

      Over 6 months I have picked up 17 mph on my driver (without a ball). I’ve only been able to carry 10-12 mph to actual playing conditions, but that has led to huge distance gains (20-30 yards).

      I know this sounds like an advertisement for the Stack, but I credit it and Mike Carroll’s workouts with changing my entire game.

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      Al Jamieson

      1 week ago

      I agree with Rob H. that the programs incentivize me to stick with the training. I wish I could say that my ball speed increased like his, but at age 78, I’m more interested in arresting the decline. I am a life long golfer and gym rat and have owned the Speed Sticks before The Stack system.

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      Garrett Sears

      1 week ago

      I used the stack last year, my swing speed went up 10% and my handicap went down 10%. Very happy with results especially being 67 years old. Had an injury this off season but plan to start up soon.

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      Trevor Spalding

      1 week ago

      I’ve have both. The stack system has its main plus being able to record speeds on your phone and only the one stick. When I’m on X and read the regular big swing speed gains from stackers just starting out (Foundation level) I question the reality. I’m a 9.5 hkp, aged 60, been at it for approx 1 year now and also work out. I’ve made gains (4-6mph) what I would expect but as in life you need to put the time and effort in. As for the distance algorithm it assumes 90° F temperature, 1,000 ft. elevation,Total distance (carry + roll), Moderately firm fairways, Neutral Angle of Attack, Optimized launch conditions (club fitting efficiency), 2019 ProV1x Ball. As I’m in Scotland (always cold and living at sea level) temp and elevation don’t really apply. Do I prefer it over SuperSpeed – Yes. Will The Stack give better gains over SuperSpeed – I don’t believe so. Do I think the algorithm could be improved? – Yes. And do I believe Stack marketing i.e. real world users gains is exaggerated based on my own experience? – Yes. Putting all aside, gaining yardage on the course whether you have The Stack or SuperSpeed requires you to stick to the program and of course be patient.

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      Jim Zwolak

      1 week ago

      Yup stack works, and the app makes it work for me better than supper speed. I don’t feel misled by stack marketing, not paying attention to it anyway. Just listen to Sasho and Marty directly, they consistently have shown genuinely great contributions to the game of golf.

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      Josh

      1 week ago

      I have done both….Stack makes it so easy with the program, etc. Neither work unless you do. Don’t feel like I was mislead at all.

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      Hayes W

      1 week ago

      I’ve used them both. Both work, but the Stack is vastly superior in a lot of ways. Sour grapes is exactly what’s happening here.

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      Will

      1 week ago

      This just strikes me as SuperSpeed begging the courts to save them from a competitor. It’s effectively an admission of defeat. Terrible PR move.

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      Jj

      1 week ago

      Guess I’ll go with Stack since SS being c****

      Reply

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