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The Worst Rule In Golf

Over the past couple of years, we’ve had some fun debating and discussing the Rules of Golf.

There was a heated discussion about whether golfers deserve free relief from fairway divots (they don’t), an article about common sense golf rules for recreational hackers, some golf rules that should change and the weirdest golf rules we know.

I’m largely a defender of golf rules. The game can’t be distilled into a handful of rules. There are complications that make it impossible to do so.

Could it get simpler? Absolutely. Have the rules improved over time? Yes.

But this is still a game played outside. Unusual things happen and not every scenario is straightforward.

There are, however, a few rules that could be simplified to make the game better for everyone involved.

I am a big believer that the game is becoming increasingly bifurcated between professionals and amateurs so some rules shouldn’t apply to both.

I want to single out one of these rules. In my opinion, this is the worst rule in golf for amateur golfers.

The harshest penalty in golf

If you’ve ever played golf, you have lost a ball or hit one out of bounds. Most of us have done it hundreds of times.

It’s an inevitable part of the game.

The Rules of Golf are abundantly clear on this situation: if your ball goes out of bounds or can’t be found, you must return to the previous point from where you hit. There are no other options.

The penalty is stroke and distance, costing golfers a penalty stroke plus the lost yardage.

In my opinion, this penalty is overly harsh when considering some of the circumstances around recreational golf.

For one, most golfers are not very good.

For another, there is so much out of bounds on may modern golf courses because of real estate that pinches in way too close to the fairway. We have built a lot of courses with houses on both sides of the fairway (yuck).

And then consider that while the pros have galleries to trample down rough and find lost balls, the average amateur has none of those advantages. Pros even have grandstands that occasionally protect balls from finding deep grass or OB. You won’t find those at a local muni.

On top of all of that, the average golf course is not properly marked with hazard lines. In many cases, there are unkept areas that should be better maintained. Both of these factors lead to more lost balls.

If someone wanted to play a round by the book, it would require trudging back to the tee and adding more time onto a game that is already too slow.

While a lot of us might just drop one down where we went OB or couldn’t recover our ball—which is totally reasonable—that is not the official rule.

A lot of people say that hitting a ball off the playing field should warrant the harshest penalty possible, but does it have to be that harsh?

I don’t think so. To me, it’s the worst rule in golf.

So what should the official rule be?

Many will disagree with this but I believe the Rules of Golf will slowly become more bifurcated over time.

The pro game resembles nothing like the amateur game. There are already many rules in place specifically for “entertainment golf” like the PGA Tour.

For example, TIO (temporary immovable obstruction) is constantly a factor on pro tours when a player gets relief from infrastructure. The limit of this relief has been tested in recent years as when players blow a shot 40 yards left of a grandstand and the result is virtually no consequence at all.

Video replay has led to many penalties over the years. Look at last month’s PGA Championship when Shane Lowry thought he had an embedded ball in the fairway but was then told by a cameraman that his ball had rolled to that position.

Would he receive relief if he wasn’t on TV? Would an amateur receive relief is he or she was playing a by-the-book round at home? It’s very possible. That’s a pro-only problem.

Driver testing reared its ugly head at the PGA when the literal two best golfers in the world (Scottie Scheffler and Rory McIlroy) had to switch drivers before the tournament. That’s a pro-only problem.

The point is that many in the game desperately want the Rules of Golf to equally govern all players, both professional and amateur. That is just not always the case.

So in my opinion, there are some rules in golf that should bifurcate. Some rules make sense for pros and don’t make sense for amateurs.

Stroke and distance penalties simply don’t make sense for the common golfer.

The USGA has an optional local rule that allows a player to take two penalty strokes and then “estimate the spot where your ball is lost or went out of bounds and then find the nearest fairway edge that is not nearer the hole than the estimated spot.” It goes on to state that, “You can drop a ball in the fairway within two club-lengths of that fairway edge point, or anywhere between there and the estimated spot where your ball is lost or went out of bounds.”

That means you would essentially be simulating your tee shot as if you hit the ball OB—but you would be guaranteed safety for what would have been the provisional ball.

Personally, I would like to see this as one penalty stroke. This would treat lost balls and OB the same as other penalty areas. Keep the rule the same except giving golfers the chance to hit their third shot from the fairway or an estimated area where they lost their ball or went OB.

At the very least, I think we should allow amateurs to hit their fourth shot from the fairway without going back to the tee.

As for the pros? Lost balls and OB barely come into play—and these are the best players in the world—so I’m all for keeping the rule the same.

Final thoughts

I know there will be pushback on this one but I like rules that speed up the game and make things more efficient for the average golfer.

The relief from fairway divots discussion is on a different plane. If everyone can’t automatically agree about what a divot is and what it isn’t—doing so in a way that can be easily self-governed—then the only other solution is to have lift, clean and place (or just lift and place) in the fairway at all times. That is something I don’t believe in at all. You play the ball as it lies. Golf is not a game of perfect lies. Most fairway lies are not perfect.

In this instance of hitting the ball OB or losing it, the ball is gone. It’s out of play. You can’t hit it.

What happens next is a cut-and-dried rules situation.

Right now, the book says you take a stroke-and-distance penalty. There is no reason the book can’t give golfers the ability to estimate where the ball went out or go back to the fairway’s edge while taking a penalty stroke.

It’s the harshest (and worst) rule in golf. One day, I hope it will change.

Agree? Disagree? Let me know in the comments.

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      Chris

      6 months ago

      While it is a cumbersome rule there are local rules to help speed up play. However, the dumbest rule is the divot in the fairway. It’s GUR to anyone with a brain. We tap down spike marks now let’s kill the divot rule.

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      Chris

      6 months ago

      While it is a cumbersome rule there are local rules to help speed up play. However, the dumbest rule is the divot in the fairway. It’s GIR to anyone with a brain. We tap down spike marks now let’s kill the divot rule.

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      Beowulf

      1 year ago

      Quit being such a baby. You lose your ball, you take a stroke plus distance. It’s part of the game.

      How funny to me that they want the rules to be less penalizing for “amateurs”, but they won’t freaking move up a tee box.

      This whole thing is very weak. What’s next? Should amateurs be allowed four free Mulligans every round? Maybe they should cap all putting at a 3 putt, or heck why stop there, all GIR’s get an automatic two putt. Perhaps once every other hole amateurs should be allowed to throw the ball rather than half to hit it. I know, make the hole 36 inches in diameter for amateurs.

      Put on your big boy pants and play golf.

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      The Swami

      1 year ago

      i have zero problem with hitting it anywhere “off the course” being a severe penalty.
      you are never going to get people (or me) on board with anything worse than the divot-in-fairway-play-as-it-lies rule.
      the rules of golf are complicated and detailed, but the idea of penalizing a golfer for hitting it right down the middle of the hole correctly (with GUR from other course conditions issued marked as free relief) is beyond stupid.

      either that or every cart should get a white can of spray paint and spray your divots as you make them for relief for the subsequent golfer. which would look great aesthetically! lol

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      Geoff

      12 months ago

      Absolutely agree
      To be penalized for hitting the ball on fairway has to be the most stupid rule in golf.
      On fairway stuck in a divot with no relief. Hell No
      It should be a free drop.

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      Mr. Myzlpx

      1 year ago

      I play in AZ as an amateur. I play in a couple of different golf groups. We are all mid-to high teens handicap. We are all avid golfers, play a few times a week. All of the groups I play in play what we call “Desert Rule”. If a ball goes into the desert and isn’t found, or if goes OB, we play it exactly as if it was a ball in a lateral hazard. Drop a ball in the appropriate place for a hazard, take a one shot penalty and move on. We routinely play in less than 4 hours.

      Clearly, we could not do that if we were playing in a real tournament. But as recreational golfers who are out to have fun and enjoy the game, who wants to waste time going back to the tee or searching too long to find a mis-hit golf ball. Even when we play for money, since we are doing the same thing it doesn’t matter. And since all of us play in groups that play “Desert Rule”, our handicaps are legitimate, in that we are playing against people who play the rules exactly the way do.

      Obviously, if we played against others who didn’t play Desert Rule than our handicaps wouldn’t be appropriate. But, for the most part, all we want to do is have fun and enjoy the cammaraderie on the golf course and the 19th hole. Again, we are serious golfers. But we don’t need any rules that slow us down. BTW, I find this rule fairly common among handicap golfers in AZ. Those who play in real tournaments are different from us. Good for them. And, good for us.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      “A shot poorly played, should be a shot irrevocably lost” –
      WC Fownes,
      Architect of Oakmont CC

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      Alessandro

      1 year ago

      1- You can always play a provisional ball from the tee.
      2- local rule can set white stakes w red cap and switch from OB to No Play Zone; just drop and take a penalty stroke

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      Baall

      1 year ago

      Golf, the game where not taking care of the course is a competitive advantage, but heaven forbid you have to hit another ball off the tee.

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      Greg

      1 year ago

      “ My course “ … “ l “ and then the validation …… just play the game and follow the rules … we aren’t paid to play it. There’s no fatalities, enjoy the game and playing the rules …

      Wanting to change and modify them because of this and that ….

      Go to your room ! And if you can’t behave don’t come out !!!

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      Jerry

      5 months ago

      can I ask you this, as myself a 6 handicap, if everyone plays by the rules, then there are going to be hackers coming back to the tee as it’s their choice or teeing up provisionals and hacking them out and teeing up another, because that is how it would look if they played by the official rules. The fact they drop one down and keep it moving, who the hell cares…I thank them for it!

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      albatrossx4

      1 year ago

      It is sad that someone writing about golf rules, apparently has never read them. There is an alternative to stroke and distance, look it up.

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      Muck

      1 year ago

      It is sad that someone comments on an article and apparently hasn’t read it. The writer mentioned the alternative to stroke and distance. Look it up.

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      FBNG1991

      1 year ago

      Local rules are one way of bifurcation. Our club generally adopts those local rules which make sense for the course, i.e. relief from sprinkler heads next to the green. OB or lost balls, play from fairway edge – with two stroke penalty fairly represents the duplication of stroke and distance. This remedy should also be applied to water hazards, allow to play your next shot from the green side of water with 2 stroke penalty where it crossed and rolled back in to the water, will speed play.

      Bunker rule needs to be changed, either no rakes and all played as waste area or allow player to rake before shot before playing, post COVID bunker footprints, divots and generally less attention to cleaning up the bunker after play.

      Allow for agreement between players if an abnormal course condition exist, even if not marked, fairways only.

      An accommodation for older players maybe to allow play outside of bunkers without penalty as many bunkers have no safe entry and exit points for those of us with stability issues in our 70’s and 80’s.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Or, just not play golf at all, and just go for a hike

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      Glimball

      1 year ago

      Totally agree with this article. Slow play is a real problem right now and getting worse. If those slow players head back to the tee to take Stroke and Distance, some rounds will be 5 or more hours. I am often behind four balls where one ot other player loses a ball almost every hole! Some of the comments show the innate conservatism of many golfers – this holds back progress.

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      Matt

      1 year ago

      Courses should make local rules where instead of white stakes, should be considered red. Take a two club length drop and add a stroke. Now it is club championship, could be different story, but regular round with buddies, enjoy it and have a few laughs and drink after the round.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Courses should STICK to STRICT Rules set up for their courses.
      YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT with your friends. Nobody cares about what you do within your own circle.
      Why worry about it? Just go enjoy whatever game you do with your friends on the course, bend the rules whichever way you want, it’s like how everybody does it with their gambling games etc –
      by all means, play it any way you want.
      The courses need to be set up for everybody else who NEEDS to play by the rules for their formal handicap indexes and play in competitions. That should not affect whatever and however you want to play the game

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      Steve Trace

      1 year ago

      Of clubs want this they define the area as a red penalty area and a no play zone and you get a drop where it went in

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      Bob Sieck

      1 year ago

      I agree! Especially on on long up hill or blind shots where you can’t see where the ball landed or if it bounced out of play. The Pros have the benefit of workers marking their shots with flags or galleries watching the ball flight. When this happens with my golf buddies and we can’t find the ball. We drop one at the edge of the fairway where we estimate it landed, take a 1 stroke penalty for a list ball and play on!

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      KC

      1 year ago

      Why is a water hazard only a one stroke penalty? Unless you brought your mask and snorkel it’s “lost” in the pond. But 3 inches past an OB stake is S&D. Does not make sense to me.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Because with OB, you went “off the course” – that’s where the idea of the penalty came form – you’re off the golf course.
      Yes there are some cases where they indicate “interior OB” but that’s just to make sure people don’t go hitting in that direction within the course for safety and as the course was designed to be played in some cases, they want you hit your own fairway than cut across, for example.
      Water is red or yellow because it’s in front of you in the course or hole you’re playing.
      If they want to make it really harsh, they can call all lost balls (as in, irretrievable) as 2 strokes including balls that are definitely sunk to the bottom LOL

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      George

      1 year ago

      First – pace of play. If it goes near OB, even if you think it’s OK, hit a provisional. Have a spare ball in your pocket for this eventuality.
      Second, OB is OB for a reason. Going there might endanger people. That’s why it’s a s&d penalty. It’s different to a pond.
      Third, the idea is not to make the game so easy that we all shoot 65 every week.
      Just leave the rules as they are. If your buddies don’t want to play to the rules that’s ok but don’t compete in any competition.

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      SuperDave3673

      1 year ago

      Exactly!

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      Doug

      1 year ago

      I agree 💯 that the 3 off the tee is one of, if not the harshest rules in golf for the club player.
      I would make it two off the tee or play third shot from where tge ball crossed the OB line.
      Yours for fun golfing ⛳️⛳️⛳️

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      It’s the perfect penalty.
      You’re hitting your 4th where you want to drop.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Sorry, forgot to add:
      It’s harsh for a reason. It makes you go practice to get better.
      If it’s easy, what would be the point of playing? You could just go hiking and not have the stress of hitting balls!!
      Otherwise go play pickleball. And then argue with your best friend about whether the ball hit the line or not!!!
      Don’t play golf!!!

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      Ron

      1 year ago

      The mixed senior league I play in has a local rule that OB or lost ball is played like a red stake hazard. Mandatory drop within 2 club lengths and one penalty stroke. This makes sense to me. It keeps pace of play up (no searching for the ball, no trudging back to the tee because you didn’t hit a provisional). And the only difference between white and red stakes is invariably just that the you shouldn’t be going into the area that is OB, for various reasons (e.g., someone else’s property, dangerous area to get into/out off/be in, conservation area). There’s nothing “special” about the shot that caused the ball to go there versus a ball that goes into a lateral hazard.

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      Ray

      1 year ago

      Divots in the fairway are patently ground under repair and should be treated as such.

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      Ron

      1 year ago

      I agree. The argument I hear most often against free drop from divots (including unrepaired ones) is that “luck has always been part of the sport”, which is as facetious as it is true. Minimizing the influence of luck on the outcome whenever reasonable has also always been a guiding principal of any well run competition. I see no reason why something as simple as a free drop from a divot shouldn’t be legal.

      Mgl

      1 year ago

      Some golfers would claim that every less-than-perfect lie was a divot or a repaired divot that hadn’t completely healed. Unless you want lift , clean,and place from the fairway at all times, it would be impossible to have any faith that the rule was being applied in a fair manner, and it would lead to more arguments.

      Kyle

      1 year ago

      Golf rules are simple as is, especially compared to literally every other sport (define a balk or look at how a football offensive line has to lineup if you want turgid and complicated rules).

      Every drop has a stroke and distance option. That’s ridiculously simple. No relief drops are mandatory so putt off the cart path if dropping is too complicated and you don’t want to damage your clubs.

      OH. You want it EASIER, not SIMPLER. In that case take up checkers.

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      CD

      1 year ago

      You are kidding me, right? You thinking a balk or how an offensive lineman lines up is more complicated than golf rules is wild hot take.

      When was the last time you saw offensive lineman taking up entire press conferences to tell everyone how ridiculous the rule of them having to line up behind the football is?

      When was the last time you saw a pitcher spend an entire press conference talking about how balks need to change?

      But wasn’t there just a tournament where there were players who spent press conferences voicing their frustration about rules?

      Come on now.

      Erik

      1 year ago

      I have a USGA rules certification. I played offensive line (center) in college. Golf rules are less simple.

      Sluggo

      1 year ago

      I vote for Ron’s approach. Save your and our time on the provisional and just drop another by the area you went out if you don’t end up finding the original. Classic rules for a tournament are fair game but 99% of rounds each day aren’t tourneys. And the fairway divot rule is absolutely the dumbest of all time.

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      Captain Tom

      1 year ago

      I think the best solution would be to keep white stakes where they are (since they often mark property lines), but treat them like red stakes in terms of the drop — one penalty stroke, drop within two club lengths of where it crossed. The key difference: no ball search allowed! Once it’s OB, the drop is mandatory. That speeds up play, avoids confusion, and keeps it fair without changing course setups or inventing new fairway reference rules. Just keep it simple.

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      Jannie Smuts

      1 year ago

      I agree 100%, if your ball goes OB, take one penalty drop and carry on.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Go ahead and do that in your causal game, nobody is stopping you.
      We’re talking about THE rules, for sanctioned play, because the rules make the game and it’s not that harsh a penalty if you’re a good player in such sanctioned events, because you’re meant to be good to be able to play away from the OB.
      Enjoy your casual golf, the industry loves you and needs you to pay their incomes at the courses

      Tony

      1 year ago

      Maybe the author should get up to speed on the rules before publishing something? The USGA implemented a local rule E-5 Alternative to Stroke and Distance for Lost Ball or Ball Out of Bounds. This was done a few years ago. Maybe all the commenters above should read the rule book.

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      Troy

      1 year ago

      Maybe people replying should read the entire article before commenting. He discussed the optional rule in the article but feels the 2 stroke penalty is still too harsh for amatures.

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      Duckman

      1 year ago

      Yes you are right but you are hitting 4, not 3 like a a red stake so what he is suggesting is quite different. But you can be as rude as you want about the writer if it makes you feel good..

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      Pete

      1 year ago

      Maybe you should be a little less snarky and just tell us what this new rule is!

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      Hopp Man

      1 year ago

      Reading is fundamental, so actually read and think before commenting.

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      Tony Bagadonas

      1 year ago

      I agree that lost balls should be treated more leniently, but stroke and distance is reasonable if you take a provisional, or a 2 stroke penalty with relief if you don’t… a lot of comments suggest that they could just replace the white stakes with red ones, but the point is that you cannot play from OB, and players should take greater caution with OB than typical hazards…

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      Mark T

      1 year ago

      Not so simple. Point in case. If I am playing in a Sunday comp and land in a fresh divot from a group in front that means the conditions have changed from when they played the hole and our foursome does. Now some will ask how do you know it was theirs? You don’t but it can still be the case. When you say the game is an outside game your are correct but in this case some can be disadvantaged by this scenario which is more common than you might think. Especially on a busy course with people that are too tired to do at least some repair on their divots. Placing is really the only option.

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      Old Joe

      1 year ago

      when the long awaited rules revisions were published, i was hoping there would be just one stake color. Lose ball in hazard, OB, lose it period: drop no nearer the hole, add a stroke and get on with it. As it is, the differentiation between yellow and red stakes is arbitrary, often irrational. Hitting OB is no worse than whacking it 50 yards into the lake.

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      Tony Bagadonas

      1 year ago

      Hitting it OB is worse than hitting it into a pond because you are risking property damage or potential safety hazards to people off the property, so golfers should be more careful not to hit it out of bounds.

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      Hopp Man

      1 year ago

      Plenty of courses have OB where there are no people or houses or property to be damaged, this is a weird take.
      Drop and take one.

      Hacky McHackerson

      1 year ago

      Get rid of the two stroke penalty completely for us hacks. No going back to the tee. If you go OB, go back as far as you want from where it went out and hit your third shot. Speeds up play and maybe makes it a little less cruel. Gol has too many dumb rules.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Then don’t play!!!! If you believe it has too many dumb rules, then don’t play.
      It’s so simple. There are so many other things you could be doing with your life, go do those million other things

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      Andy

      1 year ago

      I agree with the author, the idea of going back and re-teeing a ball on a Saturday round at the local Muni is ridiculous and would lead to much longer rounds and more than a few fights. My big question is, who actually cares about bifurcation? It is self evident that the pros are playing a completely different game than me, that is no surprise and completely OK. They are the best of the best. The fact is we, as hackers, already don’t have access to the some of the equipment the pros use, and it wouldn’t help us anyway, and we don’t have marshals and hordes of fans to look for lost balls. The game is already bifurcated and it is better that way.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      The equipment is the same. If you want to spend $2500 on a putter, that’s up to you.
      All the identical heads and shafts are available for purchase if you want.
      I have several “tour issue” driver heads and shafts that have been fine-tuned to the Nth degree on the same machines the Tour uses. There is no difference other than when being built, the shafts are closer to spec weights as designed by the gram than retail ones, but once they are being built, they are built to the player’s preferred flex points by CPM or MOI or swing weight – there is no difference to the equipment.
      The driver heads are NOT hotter off the Tour – if they are, they would be deemed non-conforming, see? LMAO

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      Hopp Man

      1 year ago

      Go find a dot head then.

      OpMan

      1 year ago

      My entire set came off Tour trucks.
      Drivers are no hotter than anything on the retail shelf.
      If they are hotter then they’d be non-conforming, duh!!!

      Erik

      1 year ago

      By “amateurs” having different rules, do you mean the guys who are playing in the local USGA-affiliated association amateur championship, or the four retired guys playing for $20 on Saturday morning at their club? The former should play by the rules. All of them. The latter already don’t, I’m sure: mulligan on the first tee; “gimme” puts; relief from unmarked GUR when the conditions are poor; removing balls from fairway divots. It seems to me that golf doesn’t need two sets of rules, but rather just an acknowledgement that, if the round isn’t a sanctioned competition, some agreed-upon flexibility in the rules is okay if makes the game more enjoyable.

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      Koby763

      1 year ago

      Exactly, if there’s no skin in the game then it shouldn’t matter how i play or keep score as long as I keep the speed up (oh and stroke+distance does take time lol) and not official

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      Adam

      1 year ago

      The USGA is a joke to the game of golf, they are out of touch elitist who have no idea what everyday golf, conditions or courses look like in the US. This should be a rule change for all golf except the Tour, since they have spotters, fans, grandstands etc. They also select courses that have almost no OB on them, meanwhile we play on neighborhood courses with OB and cart paths ready to kick the ball OB on every hole.

      Don’t even get started on conditions, 95% of courses need to be up in your fairway everyday. Why? Hackers take huge divots, don’t repair them and courses allow carts too much that make ruts in the playing area. Also, the USGA has a skewed view of this as they only frequent high end perfect courses, so the turf doesn’t have near as many issues.

      I am tired of 18hdcp’s being rule purist. I’ve played competitively my entire life, high level Amatuer golf is so far from Tour golf it’s not even close. The USGA needs a reality check.

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      Dee Liverman

      1 year ago

      I agree with what you said except for the divot thing. A divot is and will never be part of the course. I believe that anyone can tell when a divot is made by golf stroke and you should not have to play from one. I think you should be able to lift the ball and move it back 6 inches only no cleaning. A golf divot made by a club usually is elongated and easy to recognize. That’s my two cents.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      No you can’t tell. It could be a dead spot from an animal digging, a former gopher hole, fungus caused death, etc etc…….
      But again, NOBODY cares what you do in your casual golf game, do whatever you want.
      This is just about the proper rules in sanctioned handicap situations where the rules are needed and the game needs to be played according to those rules

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      JTR

      1 year ago

      The notion of ‘just hit a provisional’ still creates pace of play issues as well as the reality that OB is often not discernable from the tee box. And again, the average golfer (not your usual 4some, but truly the average golfer) is just as likely to spray the provisional around the course too. So we tee off, decide it’s questionable, go dig a ball out of our bag and re-tee. Then we go search for #1, give up after a few minutes, and then hike across the fairway to go find #2.

      A simpler approach is to play it like a lateral hazard without the option to play the ball as it lies. That makes it a harsher penalty than a lateral hazard, it’s an automatic 1 stroke penalty with no option to punch out or get lucky and be able to put a swing on the ball.

      Are there courses that use OB as part of strategic course design? Sure, we see it every few years at the Open Championship with strategic in-course OB areas. But, the overwhelming majority of OB is to keep people wandering and hitting out of adjacent properties not owned by the course.

      Stroke and distance should be the optional local rule, with a simpler one or two stroke penalty and nearest point of relief as the norm.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      If it’s not indicated on the scorecard where the OB is, you can always ask the course before you tee off about which holes have them. It’s not rocket science. And generally speaking, if it’s bordering an outside street, road, houses, cow pastures, parks, office buildings, parks, etc, OUTSIDE of the course’s own property – it’s fairly obvious, innit? Why would you think it’s not OB?
      And if a particular course has an interior OB by rule – well?????

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      James C

      1 year ago

      Sounds like you’re in the UK. As written, the OB rule makes sense with a course that’s in a single contiguous area like the old courses in the UK. In the US, courses often have houses all over the place and all of it marked as OB. In the former situation, only a handful of holes have any risk of hitting a ball OB. In the latter, every hole does. It’s a HUGE difference.

      OpMan

      1 year ago

      There are course all over the world, I made an example of this in another comment –
      where the back end of the 18th green is OB, the concrete area off the backside of the club house, etc – and some places are not!
      It all depends on the particular golf course design.

      Greg

      1 year ago

      Agree with author. Put up red stakes where white ones are, as some courses have started to do, and the rules can remain the same to satisfy purists, while in effect making OB a one stroke penalty, with the third shot played inside the red stakes two club lengths from where the ball went in. Easy peasy solution.

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      James C

      1 year ago

      “Purist” is way too cute a euphemism for @$$hole. Just call them what they are.

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      G

      1 year ago

      The thing that gets me, is if i wish to go into the hazard and hit the ball, I can. If I’m OB. I have no such option. How is that fair?

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Is it fair that we can only have 14 clubs total in the bag? Well?????? It’s the Rules, right?
      If you want to play a casual round of knock about with 25 clubs in the bag – go ahead!!!! Nobody is stopping you just hitting it around the course having your own fun.
      But if you decide to post that score of knockabout, it won’t count. But if you do put it in and it happens to be you best round ever……… well?????? Exactly.
      And if you happen to get a Hole in One with all those clubs in the bag……. well????? It won’t count.

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      Andrew

      1 year ago

      I would like OB treated like a lateral hazard. Most people would take two club lengths from point of entry with a one stroke penalty. Most likely, we’re already around the point of entry to confirm whether the ball is OB (or even retrieve it if we can). Thus, we’d have the option to drop there and not waste more time going back to the tee or finding the correct spot in the fairway (if the optional local rule is even in place). I never liked that a ball barely OB would be penalized worse than a ball way into a hazard. I play at a couple courses where there are holes with a large lake on one side of the hole and OB on the other side like ten yards from the edge of the fairway. I could hit a shot miles offline into the lake but still could be better off than a shot eleven yards from the edge of the fairway barely OB.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      You have got it backwards and upside down like most people who don’t realise what OB, as in, OUT OF BOUNDS, and the difference with red lateral penalty area is.
      Generally speaking, OB is boundary to the outside of the course.
      In some cases – most places – have OB lines at the CLUB HOUSE – I am sure you have seen those – where if you hit it past the 18 green, and it rolls off the road towards the club house – generally, there is a white line or stake indicating that OB. In you casual round – do you play as a lateral? Or, since you are NOT PLAYING OB at all – do you go ahead and try to play it from the backdoor of the clubhouse where you find your ball????? By blatantly ignoring the rules right in the foot of the clubhouse building????? Well????????
      If you want to make up your own rules amongst your friends, NOBODY is judging you. You go ahead and do that.
      But the Rules as they stand – are there for the proper playing and scoring, therefore the entering of the scores for handicap indexes for serious golfers who like to compete at their proper levels in competition whether it’s the Club one or other amateur, rules-sanctioned associations events.

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      AG

      1 year ago

      Nice condescending tone you have in all of your replies. I’m sure you’re a lot of fun at a party. Fingers crossed that i never get stuck in a foursome with you 🤞

      OpMan

      1 year ago

      You only feel the condescension because you can’t be honest, have no integrity, and don’t care for Rules and do whatever you want where ever you go in life and think it’s OK
      Other people prefer to abide by the strict rules because they know how tough it actually is and would rather FACE it

      DJ

      1 year ago

      I say, what’s the point of this article? To record lower scores? We all want to shoot lower scores but the score is what it is. I do believe it is fair to take two strokes and play it from where it went out or got lost; and it’ll speed up play. 90% of the time the second ball is in play. We generally don’t do the same dumb ass thing twice in a row, so it amounts to the same thing as stroke and distance to take 2 and proceed from the point of entry.

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      Bill Blank

      1 year ago

      Agree. It’s called out-if-bounds for a reason. It shouldn’t let you off as easy as a penalty area. Add 2, drop at the edge of the fairway, and move on. It would already guarantee you a good lie for your 4th shot, while a provisional doesn’t always!

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      The current “casual amateur rules” allow you to actually drop in the MIDDLE OF THE FAIRWAY at the point at which you deemed that the ball crossed the OB line. You add 2 strokes, and play your 4th shot from there, which would be the equivalent of having hit your 3rd off the tee –
      the USGA created this addendum rule to help people not have to re-tee, to move it along, to help them not be embarrassed about having to hit 2 or 3 more OB from the tee box.
      Thank you for reading the Rules of Golf.

      CC

      1 year ago

      Incorrect Opman. The option of dropping with a 2 shot penalty is only allowed if the course has adopted that stupid Local Rule. It is not a Rule of Golf otherwise. You can do whatever you like in a casual, social or practice round, use the foot wedge, but in an amateur club Competition round or a round score submitted for official Handicapping, we must play by the Rules of Golf

      Al

      1 year ago

      To clarify, the local rule does NOT allow you to drop in the middle of the fairway as OpMan commented. It allows you to drop within two club lengths from the edge of the fairway. For most holes, that probably leaves you in a good place, but I do know some holes where you’ll still blocked by trees that jut into or overhang into the fairway. You also can drop in the rough one the side where your ball went OB if that’s better.

      Also, as CC noted, this is a merely a local rule. Thus for serious play, it can only be used if adopted. From the USGA: “For guidance on when and how this Local Rule may be used in order for scores to be submitted for handicapping purposes, consult the rules or recommendations contained within the Handicap System operating in the local jurisdiction.” I haven’t seen any course I play officially adopt this local rule, and I don’t think my local handicap body has adopted it either. Not sure if others have seen the same or not.

      OpMan

      1 year ago

      My sarcasm didn’t come across LMAO
      I was being facetious about dropping it in the MIDDLE of the fairway for those so inclined to do so anyway LMAO
      I did provide the link to USGA

      John Jendza

      1 year ago

      I agree with the author. It should be a one shot penalty. I play courses in golf communities. Many holes have houses on one side with white stakes and wooded or water on the other side with red stakes. I’m all for protecting people’s property with white stakes to keep players from hitting out of back yards. Yes, I play by the rules and plan for my misses to be on the red stakes side, but this rule seems arbitrary.

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      Old Coastie

      1 year ago

      Stroke yes. Distance, no. You hit the ball 200 yards OB, can’t find it or do not know it is OB till you get to it and then have to go backwards 200 yards possibly to the tee, where another group is waiting to tee off and now have to wait even longer. I used to walk the course so that means it would be an even longer holdup. As for hitting out of a divot, a divot is a man-made “obstacle”. If someone made a track on a wet course with a cart, should we have to hit out of a tire track? Or the divot has been there so long the ground has dried up, sounds like poor grounds keeping. I pay to hit off grass, not hit out of a hole.

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      Clay Rouse

      1 year ago

      I may not be remembering this correctly, but I believe the penalty for going OB in Bobby Jones’ time wasn’t as severe. I can’t recall if it was distance only or a one stroke penalty at the point the ball crossed the OB line. I’ve never understood why the penalty for going OB is more severe than hitting into a water hazard. It’s not like the average golfer can choose to not hit it OB because the penalty is more severe.

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      Jay

      1 year ago

      Simplify. Use the lateral hazard rules for OB, water and lateral hazards.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Nope, nope, and nope

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      Brad

      1 year ago

      The rules of golf are fine. The problem is when they change the rules of golf to accommodate the “recreational golfer”. These changes would be like if major league baseball changed their rules so the guys playing wiffle ball in the back yard could play by the rules of baseball. The golfers that putt with the flagstick in generally still didn’t care that it’s allowed now. They need to stop changing rules for the people that play twice a month, never in competition, and don’t post scores anyway.

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      Tony

      1 year ago

      I thought that the stroke and distance penalty has already been amended, a couple of years ago?

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      Pat Scholer

      1 year ago

      No way you can go back to the tee and drive again on a public course, do you know how many fights that would start?
      99% of public golfers just drop the ball where they think the ball went in and take a stroke. Right or wrong, it’s all about pace of play.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Which is why we need MORE, CLEARLY DEFINED OB lines and stakes, so you would immediately re-hit, because there would be NO DOUBT about whether the ball went into OB or not if you see the lines and stakes clearly marked, as well as written on the scorecard.
      It would speed up play.

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      Rich

      1 year ago

      This kind of change would absolutely change golf strategy for the worse. If I hit a solid safe drive 240 that just barely trickles into the rough, and my opponent hits it 290 OB, he may very well be better off than me under your proposal if he gets to drop for 1 stroke in the fairway, and still be 50 yards closer. Everyone would be incentivized to absolutely swing out of their shoes on every drive knowing that the worst case scenario is 1 stroke, but with a perfect fairway lie. You’d have guys begging for their balls to get OB if it was close to the tree line, and you’d have the issue of people purposely not wanting to find their ball because it would be a worse outcome.

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      Clay Rouse

      1 year ago

      Are players incentivized to swing out of their shoes when there is a water hazard lining the fairway?

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      Rich

      1 year ago

      You don’t get an automatic fairway drop out of a water hazard so your lie is often very compromised, if it did then yes, players would be incentivized to swing as hard as possible and deal with the results (which are a minor inconvenience even in the worst case scenario).

      OpMan

      1 year ago

      DING DONG!!!!! You have identified WHY the OB rule is stroke-and-distance!!!!
      Correct sir!!!!!
      Thank you.

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      Morse

      1 year ago

      The point you make about recreational golfers not having forecaddies, markers or galleries to help us find our stray golf balls is one element I have always thought benefitted professionals. I’d like to add that many of us are playing on, at times, crowded public courses with people behind us waiting to tee off or hit their next shot. So I’m supposed to search for my ball and when I don’t find it, impose the distance plus one stroke penalty on myself? That’s a lot of time. I respect the rules of golf, but I also respect those playing with and around me and their time.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      The Tour Pros are playing for MILLIONS of dollars in front of the world

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      Rob V.

      1 year ago

      When I attempted to play in my work league, their local rule was Distance and Stroke, but with a drop two club lengths into the fairway, even with the point where the ball became OB.

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      MarkM

      1 year ago

      You can’t hit it OB, proceed to the fairway and expect a one stroke penalty. I’m not a fan of the newer local rule for dropping in the FW after a lost or OB ball, but appreciate that it will speed up play. But there’s no way you’re getting back in the FW and only taking one stroke.
      Here’s a quick tip – hit a provisional!

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      mg

      1 year ago

      The game has gone wokey dokey, you can move rocks, branches and take practice swings in a hazard. Drop the ball from the knees, why not place it? You hit it ob its stroke and distance. Pretty soon you will be able to say – well I could have made a 3 I didn’t but I am going to put down a 3 anyway. The Chyna flu has brought to many babies in skirts into the game.
      Take me back to the 60’s when the ball was dropped over your shoulder.

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      People are not counting their strokes properly even with the new amateur OB drop rule –
      they forget that they are hitting their 4TH from the fairway, not 3rd.
      It is supposed to be the equivalent of having hit an extra ball from the tee, which would be the 3rd, since it’s a stroke penalty, therefore they are about to hit their 4th from the fairway……

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Please don’t play golf if you can’t play by the Rules. It’s as simple as that.
      It’s part of the RESPECT for the game, to play by the Rules.
      Whatever happened to integrity, honesty, acceptance of failure and recovery from it?
      They have made the Rules lax, lenient and easier and easier over the years, when the game is not supposed to be easy, it is a DIFFICULT GAME.
      The OB is there, because, it is, literally, OFF THE COURSE – as in, you went beyond the edge of the playable golf course onto the other side of the property.
      We are already now allowed to tamp down spike marks on the greens.
      The game was NEVER meant to be about trying to score as low as possible. The PAR score is just a target score for every hole, and IF you achieved that, then it was meant that you did something good, but the game on the whole was NEVER about SCORING – it was about DOING THE BEST YOU CAN to try to shoot Par. But with the business of golf on TV and the industry writing myths about Heroes and needing to sell more DREAMS and tee times and equipment that is meant to make players believe they can be better and actually get to play at a Pro level – that business part of the game got in the way, the MAKE MONEY part got in the way = golf was never about that at all when it began.
      Can’t play by the Rules? Don’t play. Can’t have respect, integrity or behave in an honest way? Don’t play.
      You respect the rules of the road when you drive and drive in the lane on the freeway, don’t you, by obeying the law, you don’t drive nilly-willy wading from lane to lane zig-zagging all over? Well?????
      Golf is the ONE GAME WHERE YOU CALL PENALTY ON YOURSELF!!!!! THE ONE!!!!!

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      Andrew

      1 year ago

      The discussion is not about whether we should play by the rules or not. It’s about changing a rule. Rules in sports get changed all the time. Even in golf, numerous rules have changed over the years for various reasons. We no longer have stymies to deal with. We no longer are required to tee the ball within one club length of the hole (yes, this was an original rule). So why can’t we have a discussion about whether the OB rule should change or not? I can’t say for all other sports since I’m not familiar with all the rules in all the different sports, but for the ones I’m familiar with, a ball going out of the field of play (aka OB) doesn’t result in one of the worst penalties you can have. In football, a runner that goes OB just stops the play there. A pass caught OB is just incomplete. In basketball, going OB results in a turnover, not a something like a technical foul. In baseball, a foul ball is at worst a strike, not an out. I think that’s the general gist of the arguments here – why in golf should OB be more penal than other field related penalties like water hazards? Especially since a goal nowadays is trying to address pace of play problems?

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      OpMan

      1 year ago

      O.B. – as in OUT OF BOUNDs – YOU LEFT THE COURSE GROUNDS, is why it’s OB. Duh!
      Again, don’t play the game. Bye!

      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Oh, and by the way – having OB makes the game quicker – if it’s not OB, people will GO LOOKING FOR THEIR BALL – because in red stakes, you can hit it if you find it. People go looking!!!! If it’s OB, as in, people SEE it’s OUT OF BOUNDS – they won’t go walking up to it, try to find it, then make a decision – they will just re-hit from the spot. If they hit one more OB? Hit another one. And another one. At least they are not wasting 3 MINUTES PER SEARCH!!! Ya dig? If they are not good enough to hit another one in play – and they hit 4 or 5 out of bounds – they can QUIT. Walk off. Or get better at the game so they don’t hit 4 or 5 out. THAT is the game.
      So you are LITERALLY the person who should not play this game, get off the course, and go do something else. Because you do not understand the game or the rules situations at all.

      M.C. Shirt

      1 year ago

      Your comparison to driving is a false equivalency. Driving laws are there for your and others’ safety as we navigate multi-ton hunks of metal around other multi-ton hunks of metal all going 60mph.

      Golf is a sport, and the rules of most sports change over time – sometimes even to make things easier. The NBA three point line wasn’t added until 1979, and I’m sure there was a bunch of purists back then that complained about it making the game too easy. “You can score three points where you used to be able to only score two – the horror!”

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      Will

      1 year ago

      If the ball goes in a lake, why should that be better than the ball going 1″ into a neighboring field? That makes about as much sense as some jerk’s unrepaired fairway divot not counting as ground under repair.

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      SE

      1 year ago

      Because you know the penalty ahead of time, so take steps to avoid it. Why have any different penalties than? Also unless you’re playing a tournament just play the way you want then

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      Rich

      1 year ago

      Lakes can be OB too. Usually water hazards are put on the course in strategic ways to purposely trip you up. OB shots are completely out of the field of play. An otherwise pretty good shot can end up in a hazard, the same can’t be said for balls that go OB (barring some questionable course design).

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      Will

      1 year ago

      I can’t think of a single course I’ve played where an OB shot has to be any worse than one into a hazard. Most of the time the OB is closer, even. We’re not all playing Pebble Beach, and it just doesn’t make sense for two relatively similar misses to have such different levels of penalty.

      SE

      1 year ago

      I think it comes down to common sense. I’ve never seen a recreational golfer take stroke and distance, and that would be insane with other people waiting to play. But if you’re a tournament golfer I think it’s fair game as long as it’s properly marked and the golfer is aware of it. I like the extra dimension it adds to navigating through a course.

      Reply

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