“The World’s First Personalized Golf Fitting Engine.” – TRUEGolfFit
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“The World’s First Personalized Golf Fitting Engine.” – TRUEGolfFit

“The World’s First Personalized Golf Fitting Engine.” – TRUEGolfFit

Are you a gambler at heart?

Compulsive gamblers love the thrill of the unknown, but smart gamblers know trying to buck the odds is a sucker’s play. Saying hit me at 17 may be a rush, but the odds of drawing a 4 or lower do not favor the bold.

According to Adam Beach, owner and guiding light of MyGolfSpy, so many of us are compulsive gamblers when it comes to golf clubs.

“Golfers today are basically buying lottery tickets,” says Adam. “They’re going online, buying a club, scratching it off and hoping they have a winner. And by winner, I mean a club that’s going to maximize his or her full potential.”

“The odds of that happening are one in a million, no different than winning the lottery.”

Adam and MyGolfSpy editor Tony Covey believe they’ve come up with a way to cut those odds down to even money for you, without ever leaving your house or even swinging a club.

Madness, you say? Well, there’s 8 years of research and development, tens of thousands of swings from real swings from real golfers, millions of data points and a pretty robust algorithm to back it up.

Buckle up, campers, and get a load of TrueGolfFit.com.

Fitting Online

“What we’ve created is The World’s First Personalized Golf Fitting Engine,” says Adam. “We’ve figured out a way to crack the golf fitting genome to fit people without ever seeing them swing or having them walk into a store.”

Sound crazy? Well, yeah, I can certainly understand a healthy skepticism. After all, the standard notion of fitting involves a launch monitor, a wall of shafts, a platoon of heads and the hands-on expertise of a qualified fitter. The science behind TrueGolfFit, however, is very much the result of real launch monitor data derived from thousands of real swings from real golfers of all sizes, shapes, ages and abilities.

“When we first started developing this concept, we called it the ‘Recommendation Engine,’” says MGS editor Tony Covey. “That’s really what it does; it gives you a recommendation.”

In a nutshell, here’s how it works:

When you log onto TrueGolfFit.com for a driver fitting, you’ll be asked for your handicap and then three key pieces of information: swing speed, tempo and angle of attack. If you’re not sure about any of these, there are video tutorials to help.

TrueGolfFit’s Recommendation Engine then takes over. Based on the information you provide, TruGolfFit looks to match your swing characteristics to swings in its database of over 40,000 swings taken during MyGolfSpy’s Most Wanted Driver testing. Based on the actual driver results from those matching swings, it will provide you with a driver it has determined will perform best for you, as well as a 2nd choice as a backup.

In addition, you’ll also get an idea of the distance and accuracy you’re likely to see.

“Basically, we’re pre-swinging the club for you,” says Adam. “We can find swings in our database that will match your swing. If we bunch enough of those swings together, we can put those swings up against all the drivers in the industry every year. We can then determine which clubs perform best with which swings, and we can tell exactly how they perform against all other drivers in the field that year.”

Voodoo or Math?

When you have a large group of golfers test virtually every driver released in a given year, you get some answers, but you also get some questions. Why, for instance, would a driver that ranks near the bottom in the overall rankings actually be a top-rated driver for one specific tester? And why would the number one overall driver rank near the bottom for another tester?

Tony and Adam are both curious people by nature, and those questions led to some serious numbers crunching. After several years of analysis, they concluded that each golfer’s unique combination of swing speed, tempo and angle of attack determine how well one driver performs compared to another for that golfer.

“We believe those are the characteristics that make the biggest difference,” says Tony.

Based on those three characteristics, TrueGolfFit uses the Strokes-Gained metric – the same as used in MyGolfSpy’s Most Wanted testing – as a way to measure relative performance and compare individual pieces of equipment for individual golfers.

“Strokes-gained combines distance and accuracy and, to a degree, consistency, because you need to be consistently posting favorable strokes gained values,” says Tony. “You may get rewarded for one long drive, as you would with a guy looking at a launch monitor, but if you can’t do it consistently, it’s going to hurt your score.”

With TrueGolfFit, Adam and Tony believe that with the recommended driver, you will gain strokes relative to the other drivers in the database.

“We’ll be able to tell you that not only is this the best club for your game, we’ll be able to tell you exactly how much longer it is, and how much straighter it is,” says Adam. “It’s 9.82 yards longer and 13% more accurate, and one day we’ll be able to tell you many strokes it can drop off your handicap, strokes gained-wise.”

Yeah, But…

Will TrueGolfFit replace that in-person, launch-monitor centric fitting session? Tony says absolutely not.

“Look, we’re not trying to replace Cool Clubs or Club Champion,” says Tony. “Those places will always offer an outstanding option for a guy willing to go through the process and pay more for that level of fitting, because what comes out of that is almost never an off-the-rack driver.

“We’re for the other guy – the guy who may buy a driver without even hitting it because he likes a certain brand, or whose fitting may consist of going to Dick’s and hitting balls off a launch monitor by himself and saying ‘this one’s best because I hit one ball really far.’ We’re trying to give you options that look at total performance with an element of real fitting.”

To anticipate the obvious question – no, TrueGolfFit will not fit you into the ideal custom shaft, tipped a half inch and butt-trimmed to 44 inches. Well, at least not yet. For now, you will need to visit a qualified fitter and pay that freight.

“We’re going to start out telling people that, based on your swing, here are the best off-the-rack drivers for you, and how much longer and more accurately you can expect to hit them,” says Adam. “We’ll eventually evolve into giving upgraded shaft recommendations and loft recommendations, and hopefully a lot of other things.”

While plenty of OEM-specific online fitting engines exist out there, each is built on that manufacturer’s performance matrix and rough generalizations, TrueGolfFit is built on actual swing data, and its recommendations are brand agnostic.

“It’s as accurate as the information you can gives us,” says Adam. “There’s two modes – Novice and Expert. If you go into Expert Mode and tell us your exact swing speed and accurately answer the different questions, the recommendation that comes out is based on your swing speed and your swing characteristics.”

“Callaway certainly has an idea of how its products perform for a golfer with a certain set of characteristics,” says Tony. “They’re leveraging fitting theory and they understand how their products work. But what it doesn’t tell you is maybe a Cobra driver might actually perform better for a golfer with those same characteristics. It may lead you to a Wilson or a Mizuno, or some other driver that may not have been on your radar.”

Archers, Arrows, Looks and Feel

There is a fundamental difference between the following two statements: the false new equipment will make you a better golfer and the fact-based the right equipment can help you play better golf.

“It’s the archer AND the arrow,” says Adam. “Equipment does matter. The best golfer in the world with the wrong equipment won’t perform as well. That’s a fact. Equipment that fits your swing characteristics will help you shoot better scores.”

“The goal here is to put the best equipment in your hands,” says Tony. “Especially for the guy who’s not so invested in his game that he’s going to spend an hour or two at Club Champion or someone like that. If you’re a guy who wants the absolute best you can get with whatever time restraints you have, then we’re going to give you a better shot at that every time.”

One To One

“In Most Wanted, we get a lot of wow, but how do I relate it to me?” says Tony. “On MyGolfSpy, we break it down to swing speed, and TrueGolfFit is the evolution of that. We have all this data and we can use this data to help you. Not the global you, I’m talking about the guy sitting in that chair looking at his computer screen. We can give you a better recommendation than what you’re getting from any other tool out there.”

At launch, TrueGolfFit will fit you for current year drivers only, with plans to expand into more year models, as well as irons and putters.

“We could have offered two years’ worth of models at launch,” says Adam. “But we’re not confident the current consumer would like to pay $7 (the TrueGolfFit fee for a driver fitting) to find out the best driver for him might be an older model. There needs to be more education.”

“With the way prices drop off and the inventory sometimes persists, and with what’s available on eBay,” adds Tony, “we’ll get to a point where we’ll have one-, two- or possibly three-year-old drivers in the database. It’s very possible the new, current model of a driver is worse for our game than what you already have. You may have to go back two-plus years to find one that’s actually better for you, because whatever engineering philosophy or spec they were working off of that year makes it the one that works best for you.”

Fees and Guaranties

So how much is a #Datacratic driver fitting worth to you?

Well, if you’re thinking of dropping $400 to $500 on a new driver, would 7 bucks to narrow the field according to your swing characteristics be a good value? Heck, a lot of folks drop that at Starbucks every morning.

TrueGolfFit won’t be able to see if you have a reverse pivot or if you’re coming over the top, but it will give you a data-centric recommendation based on the info you provide. And if you wind up buying the driver from one of TrueGolfFit’s retail partners, you’ll also receive a guaranty that’s unprecedented in online equipment sales.

“There’s a 60-day longer, straighter or your money back guaranty,” says Adam. “If it’s not longer and straighter like TrueGolfFit says it would be, send it back and you’ll get your money back.

“I want to make everything about performance,” he adds. “I want to flip performance and marketing, and I want every golfer to be able to quickly and easily ascertain what the best performing products are for their game, whether it’s a driver or a putter or, in the future, soft goods, like shoes and everything.”

As we’ve said here many times, getting fit for your golf equipment is always the preferred route, a route many – but certainly not all – avid golf blog readers routinely follow. If you’re one of those travelers, TrueGolfFit probably isn’t for you. The reality, however, is most golfers never get fit for their equipment and wind up buying based on marketing, price, what their buddy plays or maybe a couple of swings at a retail outlet. The odds of finding that one driver that maximizes your potential may be better than winning the lottery, but not by much.

If you’ve been on the driver merry-go-round and want to get off, TrueGolfFit can certainly help you narrow the field and, depending on the info you provide, may just put you farther down the fairway than you were before.

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      Howard

      5 years ago

      I contacted Globalgolf, because their website comes up when I click on your site to buy the driver I was fitted for, to ask about your 60 day guarantee but they said I would have to contact you because they only offer a 30 day guarantee and it’s not a money back guarantee. I haven’t had any success getting email responses from Truegolffit or mygolfspy so I don’t have a lot of faith in your guarantee.

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      NH Golfer

      5 years ago

      Is it me or is MGS turning into the Golf Digest Hot List? Multiple winners and no losers.

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      Brandon

      5 years ago

      I tried several drivers and was set on the Ping G400 LST and fitted for a shaft that I loved. I decided to try truegolffit several weeks ago and it suggested Titleist 917 D3 and a Taylormade. Not sure why I didn’t try the Titleist when I was trying other brands. I went back in and gave it a shot. After finding the right shaft I was a few yards further and more consistently straight with the D3, plus I really liked the feel. I was happy with the Ping, but the Titleist is better for me. I wasn’t sure how useful an online fitting would be, but they nailed it. The guys at pga superstore helped me find the right shaft and set up and was really happy the price of the Titleist was $100 off when I bought. Thanks MGS!

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      Scott king

      5 years ago

      I just received an email about the TGF update but the link doesn’t take me anywhere. What’s up. Sounds exciting.

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      Edward

      6 years ago

      There are a lot of things for learning for those who love gambling on golfing from this article. A new gambler can learn a lot of tricks or secrets from this article.

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      Evan

      6 years ago

      Before getting to the specific suggested driver(s) by the model, mine said a total achievable distance of 262yds could be attained with the model’s club selector. I go to a golf studio regularly, and I know my exact swing speed and general inputs for this online tool. I know for a fact that I already hit the ball further (total distance) than 260yds with many different drivers. So, am I to believe that given my general swing inputs (speed, level, handicap, tempo) that NO driver out there can get me more yardage? I was under the assumption that there will always be a better distance (total or carry) possible…. whether or not you want to purchase the equipment. Did anyone else have this issue with the online tool? I know many people who swing just as fast as me and have similar inputs for this model that have more than 262yds total distance…..

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      Sharkhark

      6 years ago

      Thought this would include more detail like towards toe or heel etc.
      Some secret spot like high toe u hear about but to learn… Center hits are best?
      Ok…

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      Leftgolfer

      6 years ago

      I spent the $7 and got two drivers, one of which I am already playing so they did pretty good there. No shaft, flex or loft recommendation. I guess I should have read the fine print. The most difficult part is getting the right shaft and even professional fitters get that wrong a lot of which I have first hand knowledge and a lower bank account for.
      As a lefthander I have never had a good professional fit nor a decent shaft recommendation. Personally I think it’s a waste of money and a scam. Fitters will always put you towards something that will ingratiate them, not you. It all comes down to the bucks. My Golf Spy has done a better job with it’s “Most Wanted” than probably any professional fitter in my case anyway. Hit a Ping LST with a tour (s) shaft, 10 degree and it’s as good as anything else I’ve hit. This evolution of fitting has already been exceeded by MGS when they bring in all types that hit a club and the best one comes out. This is the way to go and the raves continue as I have turned on many to the club section of this website for a “strong” recommendation.
      One thing I have noticed is the low spin drivers give many golfers a fit and many do not get “enough” spin. There is nothing wrong with spin, especially if you generate less than 100 mph driver speed. The spin numbers tend to be artifically and the ball drops from the sky. Carry is much more important as the fairways are not manicured like on the tour with the ball bounding 75 yards after hitting the ground.

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      Jerry Lynn

      5 years ago

      You can’t go wrong with the Ping 400 LST. But you still need to get the correct shaft. Tempo may be more important than swing speed as to which shaft suits you best.

      I recently hit five different clubs with the same shaft and the trac man showed that I hit each one the same. Everything from ball speed to club head speed was the same.

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      bart

      6 years ago

      Hi All,

      I love the idea of this website! As a lefty many times I had to buy golf clubs with minimal testing or even sight unseen. Until now I have based my decisions on the reviews and testing at MyGolfSpy and comments of users in the forums. Honestly I have had great success following those suggestions. So using the true-fit website was a logical progression.

      I currently game the Callaway Epic. According to my fitting I should get better results with the TM M4. The projected specs (252 total) are 10-12 yards better than what my current real world results. I never looked at the M4 because I tried the 2017 M2 D and didn’t like it. When I hit it well it matched my Epic, but off center hits penalized me more. Fortunately I can get a demo unit from my local shop and we will see if the numbers match. I am excited!

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      Bart

      6 years ago

      I took a loaner M4 out on the course yesterday. My home course is very wet so there is no roll out at all. So I cant talk about distance, but the carry seemed to be slightly better than my Callaway Epic.

      What I can say is the accuracy improved dramatically! I was in shock. I hit 77% of the fairways (normally 55%-60%) . My playing partner said I have never hit my drives as well. I am going out again today so we will see if this is my true fit or just a honeymoon.

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      Sirduffsalot

      6 years ago

      I bit on the hook for club fitting via the internet. I explored a new driver. Well I took the test and paid my seven dollars. To my surprise they suggested a Srixon Z565 as the best choice for distance and accuracy.

      I know I swing a regular graphite shaft. On Mikes Golf Shop I found the Srixon driver at a reasonable price. I agree with other posters that the shaft type is not given. I had a choice of two shafts. I chose one and paid my money.

      The club is light but feels good. I tested it against my Ping G30. Cleveland HL, and a Cobra F8. I used my ES monitor to check distances. Ping and Cleveland were 20 yards shorter. The Cobra was with in three yards of my new Srixon Z565.

      Yesterday I played with friends. Besides the bad swings, I was getting the distance, The last drive of the day was long and sweet. The work ability of the club should be attainable in the next few rounds.I am glad I tried the site.

      I recommend the site. I started as a non-believer, but I am a believer. The site is a great way to start. If you are still apprehensive, take the quiz then go to your local club fitter. Test the recommended driver against the others. You may be surprised.

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      Jerry Lynn

      5 years ago

      The G30 is several years old. It may be that you could hit a G400 just as far as the Sirxon with the right shaft. Maybe not, but I don’t believe the club heads are much different today. They all are built to go as far as allowed and forgiving. I think you were in older equipment with the wrong shaft.

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      Stevegp

      6 years ago

      This is really interesting. I will be following this thread and looking into learning more about this system.

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      One Day At A Time

      6 years ago

      Cliffs Notes:

      MGS has recorded so many swings with so many different golfers with almost every stick we might buy. They created a database.

      It’s like when you order something you wear. It’s not going to be bespoke, but it’s going to be better than a shot in the dark no pun intended.

      Also, as someone who does have the ability to fit and sell golf clubs, I can see what I can do being made obsolete in five years when launch data is collected via the ball you hit and/or the club face collecting the data.

      Fitting is great. It’s so great we will trust supercomputers to do it very soon.

      Does anyone remember golf in the 80’s and (I’m 36 fwiw) did you ever think that the game would change so much in 30 years?

      Imagine where we will be in another 10 years from now and multiply that by 5.

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      Keith Finley

      6 years ago

      Hi, everyone:

      I ran it and it recommended the Mizuno GT 180 (best) and Titleist 917 D3. I currently use a 913 D3 and have been getting close to pulling the trigger on a 917. Too many moving parts on the Miz, but I would definitely Demo the ST.
      I expect the 917 would add the promised 4 yards. As it is dealing with averages, it has my ball speed and overall distance a bit low, but in the right general ballpark.
      Good start and I expect that in a couple of years, it will be really impressive. Regarding the shaft recommendation complaints, I expect that the current target users (those who buy off the rack) align fairly well with the stock shaft offerings by the OEMs. Having inputted a swing speed, these users can probably identify Senior vs Regular vs Stiff vs X. Not perfect but not bad. If you want to discriminate amongst the various Obans, you likely won’t need this tool.

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      Jay

      6 years ago

      I think that TGF has a lot of potential to help the general public make better decisions when trying to choose golf clubs since I at least gives you a starting point to jump off from when you are looking to buy a club. I mean at least now I can go to Golf Galaxy (or golf store of your choice) and test out the driver that “should” perform best for me and see if it does, instead of just aimlessly grabbing drivers off of the demo rack and swinging away. It also gives me a starting point or info point during a fitting – I can at least bring it up as an option of something I want to test out, potentially overcoming some brand bias the fitter may have. It may turn out that something else works better, but at least I went into both situations with something more in my arsenal than “well these were the gold medalists on the Hot List this year” or “it was the number 1 driver on MGS most wanted 2018.” Not knocking the most wanted list you guys put out, just the idea that number 1 on most wanted doesn’t mean it is number 1 for me, which is what I believe TGF is pretty much saying/attempting to prove. I paid the $7 out of curiousity to see what the system would kick out, and I was interested with the results I received – it gave me two drivers I might not have tried out. The couple of comments I have on the results:

      1. TGF seems to be like sabermetrics for the golf swing, which is probably why there has been a decent amount of comments with some pushback from “the purists.” Results aren’t perfect because statistics can’t account for everything – there are elements the data cannot always account for, but the majority of the time the data is going to give you some good insights for what to do.

      2. It is interesting to me that you decided to supply figures for distance yards increase and accuracy increase without asking for any baseline for comparison. I know not everyone would be able to provide accurate info (probably more so for accuracy than distance) but without a baseline isn’t this figure just a generality that is similar to manufacturer claims of “10 yards longer” that we most tend to disagree with in advertising? I know that your data is based on actual golfers, real swings and not a swing robot, and maybe I am misunderstanding the information, but without a baseline input it seems to me that is what the figures end up being since they are stated as absolute figures. I think ranges would have made more sense. I didn’t use expert mode since I don’t know my exact angle of attack figure or exact swing speed, I just know the category I fall in based on previous launch data info, which is probably what the majority of people will probably end up using.

      3. Since this is still a work in progress, what is the plan for early adopters that paid for a fitting using version 1.0, but people that waited until version 2.0 or 3.0 and end up getting more information. Do I get penalized for being an early adopter and have to dish out an additional $7 for another fitting to get shaft or loft data that wasn’t offered at launch but will be provided with the new versions? Or is the plan to have the price increase as the data you receive gets more detailed, and then early adopters can pay the difference to get the new info. Example, loft and shaft data is now provided in version 2.0, released 6 months after version 1.0, but the price is now $10 for a fitting. If I paid for a fitting in version 1.0 6 months ago, do I pay $3 to unlock the new info. That way new customers and old customers are on the same value footing for the year? I understand if a full year passes between fittings having to re-up for the full price, but if I have to pay for multiple driver fittings in a single year just to get updated information as TGF improves, that system seems a little broken to me.

      Love what you guys do/are doing, keep up the great work and I am excited to see how this thing evolves.

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      Andrew

      6 years ago

      Okay, I finally got back into golf after a long absence. I recently realized that I’m playing a driver not even in the same zip code as what I should be playing and of course I’ve never been fitted. So I coughed up the $7 and the TGF recommended the Wilson C300 and Srixon 565. 2 clubs I would have NEVER imagined myself purchasing. And now, on Saturday I’ll be going down to Edwin Watts to get fitted (for free mind you) for the right loft/shaft combinations for whichever driver works best for me. I’m a big underdog guy so I appreciate not seeing Callaway/Titleist/Taylormade on the list.

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      Tonk

      6 years ago

      Hey Guys,

      Sorry for the long comment, but I have a couple of concerns with the results of my river fitting. I am currently playing to a +2.4 handicap and game a 2017 M2 driver. My stats with that driver is as follows: Avg. 122 mph club head speed, 180+ ball speed, between a +4 and +5 angle of attack, 14 degree launch angle, 2,300 – 2,500 spin rate, 300+ carry and averaging 319 off the tee according to arccos 360. After going through the fitting process, the numbers I got back were 283 total distance, 14 degree launch angle, 3,491 spin rate, 166 ball speed. This doesn’t seem to be accurate based on my swing speed. The Ping G400 was the recommended driver which I agree could be a great fit for me as I am not looking to really add distance at this point, rather make sure I’m hitting fairways. Any light you could shed on how these numbers are calculated or if you feel like this is an anomaly in my case would be greatly appreciated.

      Love the idea and think this could help a lot of folks find the right equipment! As always, I’m a huge fan, keep up the good work, thanks!

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      HDTVMAN

      6 years ago

      Sorry guys, but I can’t go along with this system. I’m a certified fitter and see customer’s hitting right, left, center, fades, draws, slices, hooks, and so forth. I agree that one driver does not fit all, but some have more adjustments than others, and they allow me to take the ball flight and move it closer to what the customer wants to accomplish. Want to be fitted for the right driver, see a professional fitter.

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      DB

      6 years ago

      Says a guy where a system could put him out of a job.

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      Brad Smith

      6 years ago

      Tonk,
      They aren’t saying this is a better way than being custom fit. In fact, this is a quote from their article…..”As we’ve said here many times, getting fit for your golf equipment is always the preferred route, a route many – but certainly not all – avid golf blog readers routinely follow. If you’re one of those travelers, TrueGolfFit probably isn’t for you. The reality, however, is most golfers never get fit for their equipment and wind up buying based on marketing, price, what their buddy plays or maybe a couple of swings at a retail outlet.”

      I believe their “system” is an improvement over just about anything short of a custom fitting.

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      brad Smith

      6 years ago

      Sorry Tonk. My response was aimed at what HDTVMAN had posted.

      Jason Norris

      6 years ago

      I like what they are doing. This will actually help 99% of golfers. I am talking about the weekend warriors who just want a driver they can buy off of global golf. Others will want to know more information like shaft weight, loft and such. I like the idea. They have hit thousands of balls with people of all skill levels. They should get to monetize their research. All in all its only $7. Most of us have paid more than that at the turn for a gut buster that had us running for the halfway house.

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      Steve Cernuto

      6 years ago

      I tried it out of curiosity. I would not buy a driver without some level of fitting but it recommended two models that I would never have tried. The brand neutral aspect of MGS is what I like about them.

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      Steve Cernuto

      6 years ago

      Follow up: I went and hit the #1 recommended club, a Mizuno GT180 at PGA Superstore. It was a couple of mph slower on ball speed and a few yards shorter then my current gamer a Callaway GBB. In fairness the Callaway was bought after a full trackman fitting so it would be hard to beat. I would consider this a win for the Truegolffit system. Had I just walked into a store or bought the Mizuno on line I would have a club not quit as good but comparable to a custom fit one.

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      Mark

      6 years ago

      1. G E N I U S. If you can’t see the future here you are blind. The data of all the swings with your match and eventual shaft and loft recommmendations… will ABSOLUTELY be better than a club fitter. This is balls and strikes from an umpire versus actual video.

      2. Be patient. It will take some time. The potential for a full set and putters is sky high. Serious help to the golfer here.

      3. MyGolfSpy… I’d highly recommend adding in past years. Maybe even up to 5-7 years later. eBay golf purchasing is so valuable to the golfer. #ConsumerFirst

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      Kevin

      6 years ago

      Mark,
      You’re 3rd point is super on target. For the many of us whose budget has us looking for 2-3 year old clubs this info would be extremely useful. A great value. Thanks MGS and TGF.

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      Robert Dicks

      6 years ago

      I tried it. It’s fine for $7, and I am a big fan of MyGolfSpy. However, after taking the online fitting, I can tell it’s not a replacement for actually picking up a club and swinging it. Why? For me, it’s swing weight. I am currently playing a driver with D0 swing weight, and TrueGolfFit put me in a D4. Way too heavy feeling for this senior. Still, it was fun to try.

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      Ryan

      6 years ago

      Love it! I think there is a market for this and had wondered if this was a direction you guys would go with all of the data you’ve collected. Looking forward to the improvements and updates as it grows and more data is collected.

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      biglsu86

      6 years ago

      First off I get what y’all are trying to accomplish. I was there 12 years ago when I just picked up the game and didn’t know anything about golf. I went into the store and bought the most popular driver at the time Nike SQ. Only because the best player at the time was playing it. For the beginner or novice player I think this is a great idea. I have access to a launch monitor and I know my ball speed averages 169 so when I put in my info and got average ball speed of 161 I was kind of shocked. That’s a big difference. Now I have been customed fitted for my driver so I can see why. But I think this is a great starting point for the masses out there that enjoy playing the game and don’t have the opportunity to get custom fitted. Keep up the great work.

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      Tony Wright

      6 years ago

      Well interesting that you are taking this shot. But what a shame for golfers who expect that you have their best interests at heart.

      And how can you now claim that you do independent club testing – no one can claim to be independent and sell the products they are testing at the same time.

      Club selling not club fitting.

      Reply

      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      Please do not come to our site in the future to post baseless claims without doing any research.

      1. We do NOT sell the clubs. We recommend clubs and retailers sell the clubs no different then they do now.

      2. We are independent and the only one that truly is.

      Being skeptical is one thing making false accusations is something totally different.

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      Tony Wright

      6 years ago

      I apologize for my comments.

      Randy R

      6 years ago

      I feel like most commentors failed to read the entire article. I have 3 observations:

      1. John specifically said the system was not designed to replace high-end clubfitting. If you’re willing to pay for a premium clubfitting with thousands of combinations of shafts and heads, this simple system wouldn’t appeal nor can it compete.

      2. The number of golfers that get fitted for clubs is still much lower than the number that buy off the shelf clubs. If a golfer is going to walk into their local shop with the intent of leaving with a driver, he/she isn’t expecting exotic shaft options. He/she wants a club today. This system is potentially going to help the golfer pick the best option out of the pool of clubs available off the shelf. Since this golfer would probably have nothing other than marketing hype or a friend’s recommendation driving the purchase, this system could help. It won’t pick the absolute best club for the person but may pick the best readily available club.

      3. If I remember correctly, most of the club tests MGS does is with off the shelf clubs. The idea is there’s no way to test every combination and, as stated in point 2, a majority of golfers don’t get fitted. MGS figures why not test the clubs in the form many (not all) will use them.

      If I were looking at buying an off the shelf driver or a used club on eBay, I’d give the service a try. If the service isn’t for me, I’m not going to bash it and tell everyone why it sucks—I simply won’t use it.

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      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      Thanks for reading the article Randy!

      Reply

      sidvicius

      6 years ago

      I think this was a marketing tool to be bought out by one of the big boys.
      Good move! hope you make some money.
      can i invest?

      Reply

      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      This tool is built for ALL golfers. Since day one our motto has been #Powertotheplayer and #Consumerfirst and we have not strayed in the slightest. The majority of golfers don’t get fit and this offers them a better solution to finding a club that maximizes their potential.

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      Dtrain

      6 years ago

      If you go to say Ping’s website they have a similar tool for their clubs. This just applies to all makes and models, which is great. A partial on-line fitting is better than no fitting at all.

      In my mind there is still nothing better than hitting actual balls on a range and ultimatly on the course to get a true feeling if you like the club.

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      The Club Nut

      6 years ago

      Had the same result, Sam. Not the same driver, but the specs and information they had me in were nowhere near what my swing actually produced, and would produce. The recommended driver fell woefully short of my properly fit gamer. The same result could be had by simply looking through the driver comparison tests. It seems, that’s what the TrueGolfFit does for you – basically pay $7 to not have to look at data – however, having looked at the data as well, I would not have picked what the automated system did. Curious – did you do advanced or regular mode? or both?

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      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      Most Wanted is a glance at the overall data and provides an overall recommendation not necessarily based on every individual. This looks at the individual. It looks at only your data and finds only the drivers that performed best with those same swings.

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      Gary

      6 years ago

      Paid the $7 for this experiment. No shaft recommendations? Are you kidding me? This tool is like getting a car recommendation without discussing the engine.

      Reply

      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      For right now this tool is for the golfer who has never been fit or for one who has not had a very thorough fitting (still the majority of golfers).

      That being said this will continue to evolve and I truly believe will one day be as good or better then real world fittings. And we plan to include shafts in the future. But that does not mean for the majority golfers this is not a major leap forward regarding the average consumer finding products that help them maximize their performance.

      Here are a few of the reasons:

      1. If you go get 10 driver fitting you will more than likely get 5-10 different recommendations. This is for many possible reasons. Biased fitter, lack of swings, lack of products to test, etc.
      This tool will give you a consistent fitting 100% of the time and it is based on your real swing data.

      2. Most fittings do not allow for a golfer to test all drivers on the market, so at the end of the day the odds of truly finding the 1 that maximizes your potential is significantly limited in scope. Also the amount of shots hit with each driver is typically not near enough to tell an accurate story of how one will truly perform.

      3. We hope to add a few advances in to the engine soon that right now are not being done by nearly any fitters around the world.

      One day I am confident this will be the smartest fitting possible. That being said today is just v 1.0 and we are incredibly proud of what we have built for golfers.

      #ConsumerFirst
      #PowerToThePlayer

      Reply

      Nocklaus

      6 years ago

      One of your big initial questions is angle of attack. You would have to look at my swing to see that. I can not give you an answer. Because on Trackman I got a negative angle of attack with M1 and off the shelf shaft. After changing to Fujikura Pro, I had a positive angle of attack.
      My swing speed is around 103 mph, but my tempo is slow. My hands though, are turning the club over at impact pretty fast and I don’t know if your system takes that into account.
      So 7 bucks … goes to Starbucks

      Reply

      Kyle

      6 years ago

      I get it, you have a ton of data, what better to do with all of it, right? If clubfitting were a perfect science, this would be great. I don’t care how much data you have, club fitting is not black and white. I don’t think it ever will be either. People need to physically hit a club and look at the data to see the difference.
      Looking at what people are getting for their $7 and all it sounds like is the retail stores who loaded up from your Most Wanted tests are finally going to be able to unload all those poor performing Srixon Drivers. Maybe this should be left in beta for now…

      Reply

      Chris

      6 years ago

      I’ll do a little compliment sandwhich

      a. I think the actual website UI/UX/Design (the interface and usability) are very good. It was quick and easy to go from not having an acct through to the data and checkout.

      b. for most gear heads out there, and probably many avid golfers (who are probably many of the users on this MGS) I echo the sentiment that has largely been said in the comments of the data isn’t adequate (missing shaft info/loft) and also that I’ve tested the heads recommended against my gamer (my gamer out performs) and to infer that I could get an additional 12 yards of distance just doesn’t add up from my testing

      c. to close with a compliment, the idea is really cool, and for 7 dollars, its not a high commitment level financially and additionally, I could see this being useful for less gearheady folks or those who havent switched drivers in awhile, and are looking for a place to start, or dont have access to good fitting resources.

      Reply

      mackdaddy

      6 years ago

      Well Done!!! You guys rock. You should put the option in for multiple years. 100% chance I will use the app when i next shop for a driver.

      Reply

      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      e plan to add that in the near future, but as the article mentioned right now I think the consumer would be confused if he/she paid for a fitting and got a recommendation of a driver from 3 years ago. But we will get there.

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      Keith Irvine

      6 years ago

      So far, all you are recommending is a clubhead, based on little information. Until you can add shaft flex, length, grip size, moi, this would only be a partial fitting. Sure, 20+ yards will get everyone’s attention, but, by recommending anything less than a ‘full-spec’ed’ fitting will only get My Golf Spy a lot of unhappy golfers, who jumped on your bandwagon too soon…..imo

      Reply

      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      What might seem like a little information is actually what we find to be the most important information. And regarding the shaft:
      For right now this tool is for the golfer who has never been fit or for one who has not had a very thorough fitting (still the majority of golfers).

      That being said this will continue to evolve and I truly believe will one day be as good or better then real world fittings. And we plan to include shafts in the future. But that does not mean for the majority golfers this is not a major leap forward regarding the average consumer finding products that help them maximize their performance.

      Here are a few of the reasons:

      1. If you go get 10 driver fitting you will more than likely get 5-10 different recommendations. This is for many possible reasons. Biased fitter, lack of swings, lack of products to test, etc.
      This tool will give you a consistent fitting 100% of the time and it is based on your real swing data.

      2. Most fittings do not allow for a golfer to test all drivers on the market, so at the end of the day the odds of truly finding the 1 that maximizes your potential is significantly limited in scope. Also the amount of shots hit with each driver is typically not near enough to tell an accurate story of how one will truly perform.

      3. We hope to add a few advances in to the engine soon that right now are not being done by nearly any fitters around the world.

      One day I am confident this will be the smartest fitting possible. That being said today is just v 1.0 and we are incredibly proud of what we have built for golfers.

      #ConsumerFirst
      #PowerToThePlayer

      Reply

      Bill

      6 years ago

      Me too – almost worth the price of admission. I wonder how this is supposed to work without shaft and loft recommendations? Appears most on this site are wondering the same. For right now, I’d suggest people save the $7 for a cup of Starbucks drip and a scone.

      Reply

      steve hamer

      6 years ago

      that is a nice idea but shafts marked the same are not all the same flex even though they are marked the same

      Reply

      wbn

      6 years ago

      This is very true. The best way to know what you are hitting is to put the club on a frequency meter. Shafts marked the same can have different CPM ratings.

      Reply

      Jonny Mercado

      6 years ago

      Surely a launch monitor is required to the get the required input data in the first place?
      A better solution would be to integrate this software into a launch monitor .

      Reply

      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      This is for the golfer who does not have access to a launch monitor, so we access it for them through ours. And yes for the golfer who does we plan to hopefully one day integrate it with launch monitors as well.

      Reply

      TexasSnowman

      6 years ago

      I tried it; I like it; BUT – My recommendations were PING G400 LST and Srixon 765…but no recommendation on shaft/flex. I understand you are not offering custom shaft/tipping recommendations at this point, but really need to recommend which standard shaft and flex; otherwise I cannot actually click “buy it now’.

      Reply

      TexasSnowman

      6 years ago

      …and what about Loft? Shaft/Flex/ and Loft. Important Stuff!

      Reply

      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      This is v1.0 with many plans to add functionality in the future.

      Al

      6 years ago

      Great idea worth trying but as someone mentioned, let us try different options, not just one. I would definitely do it if the seven dollars was for trying it, and being able to try it with several different options for a few days. I’m not real confident that I would be answering the questions correctly, and might be in between different answers. I could fit and get different options based off of the answers, and then go and try each recommended club

      Reply

      Michael Bronw

      6 years ago

      Is this suppose to be the “best kept secret in golf?” where is the link to try this???

      Reply

      Jerry

      6 years ago

      I tried TRUEGolfFit and ended up with two clubs that I would never have picked on my own. Now I have to figure out where I can try these clubs to validate the results.

      Reply

      LD

      6 years ago

      I did this, just curious about it. Picked a Wilson and then a Ping but I don’t see where it shows what loft or shaft or shaft flex. I did click on buy but I have no idea if it loaded in the proper specs for the club or not. At this point, no way I would order a club without knowing more on the set up. Very interesting idea, hope it ends up supplying more info.

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      Berniez40

      6 years ago

      I like this idea very much, but I may have to wait till their database builds in that extra two or three years, and here’s the reason why. In late 2016 I actually got fit for my driver by a good club fitter. Sadly, he is no longer with us. But he fit me with a Taylormade M2 in Senior Flex. Up until then I had always played regular flex. I have played that M2 gaining much distance and a lot of workability. As the 2018’s came out about this time last year, we revisited the issue. He told me to keep the head, and we changed the shaft from the Fujikura Pro 50 that was in there to a Mitsubishi Tensei CK Red (One of the current options for the new M4). I was blown away that he didn’t try to sell me a whole new driver, but only upgraded the shaft with an old fitter’s shaft he had lying about. He said that 2016 head was a better fit for my swing than any of the new stuff, and that the new shaft would help regain my height and thus give me more carry. He was spot on! Realizing that a head that is 2 years old is a much better fit for me than all the new stuff is a real game changer, and I would wish to wait until this system has that type of data on hand before pulling the trigger on a new driver. Considering what the shaft upgrade has done for me, I guess I have that time available to me for now.

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      Howard

      6 years ago

      I put in my specs using expert mode and for a 103 swing speed it predicted a 144 ball speed with the new driver. That’s only a 1.398 smash factor which seems pretty low. I’ve also been on GC quad and flightscope with ball speeds over 150 and smash factors in the upper 140s. My last step was to get the recommended driver which I did not do since the numbers with the new driver are lower than with my current driver.

      Reply

      Howard

      6 years ago

      After looking over my GC quad and flightscope fittings the recommended driver numbers are pretty much the same that I’m getting with my current driver.

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      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      Great to hear! Hard to believe for many golfers and we get it, this is a new technology that is not understood by the majority of golfers at this time. But the swings and the data are real. So, as long as the information put in is accurate by the consumer it will be how you can expect the recommended drivers to perform.

      doug lewis

      6 years ago

      Any golf club fitting which does not specific shaft specifications, aka cycles per minute (cpms) is total junk, (not just regular, stiff, etc) 10 driver shafts which are all considered stiff, will usually different cycles per minute. Any shaft which deviates more that 4 cpms will not play the same. Don’t believe me ever break a club, and go out and buy the exact same club and notice they don’t play the same. It is not your imagination.

      Reply

      Lance

      6 years ago

      Cpms is no holy grail either. It’s only the butt stiffness not shaft entirety. 2 same cpms can play totally different

      Reply

      Jon

      6 years ago

      So I did it. It recommended a Ping driver. How do I get the specs for the recommended shaft please (beyond stiff) ??? In other words, how do I access the recommendation??

      Reply

      Sluggo

      6 years ago

      Hmmm…
      Seems vague… but certainly better than a blindfolded dart throw…
      Will be curious to hear results as people begin actual use…
      I hope you guys post some form of results?

      Reply

      Rick

      6 years ago

      From someone who generally buys used clubs this is pretty awesome. Have you done any validation testing? I.e compare the algorithm suggestion to the more traditional one?

      Reply

      Peter

      6 years ago

      Respectfully, this falls short without a shaft recommendation. If I’m supposed to be buying a Titleist 917 D3, but there’s 5 different stock shaft options in multiple flexes, what now?

      Reply

      Scott King

      6 years ago

      I wish, I wish, I wish
      This is great. A few bugs to work out, but I with it would let me play with the results a little. Like seeing what difference it makes having a level vs up swing would make. I swing both ways depending on a fairway finder or trying to reach out a bit further. Like being able to run it a few times. But, well done guys, well done.

      Reply

      Scott King

      6 years ago

      “with it would let me play with the results a little.”
      Rather,
      I wish it would…

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      Greg P

      6 years ago

      Scott, you are just going to have to give up more Starbucks.

      Reply

      Aaron Merritt

      6 years ago

      This is awesome. Just flippin awesome.

      Reply

      Dan

      6 years ago

      When I’m ready to get that next driver, I will try this …. for $7, there is little downside. My local golf shop will assess 3 drivers for $25 but I’ve always thought that spending $500 for one club should include a proper, no-charge fitting. Not sure why any manufacturer has not yet made a push (that I know of) for this type of service.

      Reply

      Marteenie

      6 years ago

      But doesn’t your local shop put that $25 towards the purchase if you buy it from them? Golf Town offers that, actually you could try up to 10 for $50 and that cost was deducted from the one you choose.

      Reply

      chemclub

      6 years ago

      This is an interesting concept that I admit I was initially skeptical of (maybe I still am). I think the idea of matching you to a “swing clone” makes a lot of sense though.

      The biggest issue I see is knowing your swing metrics (SS and angle of attack). Swing temp also can affect your shaft options from what I understand. Still I will definitely give this a try.

      Reply

      nbk8p18

      6 years ago

      I signed up for this fitting and paid $7 for a Driver fitting to see what is all about. I was asked basic questions(i.e.,HCP, Tempo, Angle of Attack, etc.) The result was a recommendation for a Srixon Z565 for the best fit and Z765 for the better fit. No other driver brands were recommended which seems odd. Here’s the fitting result based on 8-HCP, 95-105 Clubspeed: Tot. Dist= 276 yds, Launch Angle: 14*, Total Spin: 2199 rpm, Ball Speed 146 mph). Then I compared the data to MGS’s research from the 2017 Most Wanted Driver and from that research of 7,330 hits, 225K datapoints, 30 testers (HCP range= +2-16), Ages 18-79, Swing Speeds: 75mph-120 mph, their data: aggregated and normalized. I took the avg. from that research which is : Club Speed: 99mph, Ball Spd: 140 mph, Launch Angle: 14.86, Ball Spin: 2314, Carry: 232 yds, Tot. Dist.: 247. So, to me the True Golf Fit data does not make sense as compared to the MGS avg. Data. Further the fact that I was only recommended Srixon Z565/Z765 which coincidentally the same result from MGS 2017 Most Wanted Driver. So my question is Biased? or Unbiased?

      Reply

      Leon Ray

      6 years ago

      This is the most objective comment so far on this topic—IMO—with specific data used to substantiate the question, but MGS hasn’t replied. I find that interesting and a bit disappointing. MGS quickly replied to the more critical or opinionated comments.
      I too coughed up the $7, more out of curiosity than anything else- I don’t really care for Starbucks coffee so I will break even on my Investment quickly—and I came away with 2 questions…
      In the claim for comparative improvement—in my case it was an additional 10.5 yards and about 10% in accuracy—what was used as the assumption for my baseline? How could MGS claim a 10 yard improvement w/out knowing what I currently use for a driver? What if I currently use a persimmon driver? Or what if I am currently using the recommended TM M4? Without knowing what I currently use I don’t get how MGS assigned that baseline value.
      Second question…out of even more curiosity I clicked the “buy now” link,..Why did I get directed to the Global Golf website? Does MGS have a business relationship with GG? I am not offended it sent me to GG, it’s a fine business, but there are lots of places on the web to buy an M4. I really appreciate the objectivity that MGS brings to this mysterious game of golf. I think you would be better served to state clearly that the GG link is either sponsored, or merely provided as a convenience to the MSG user.
      Thank you for what you do every day MGS. I have financially contributed to your endeavor in the past, and likely will again in the future. Keep up the good work!

      MyGolfSpy

      6 years ago

      FEEDBACK:

      For your comment and some others…

      1. Be patient the product will evolve. We hope to add shafts and loft and flex as well. But remember, just because you want it does not mean we should give it if we are not confident in what we are giving. I think most others would have just put it in there. We had the discussion and knew we needed it, but there is not enough data to support that yet. When there is, we will add it. Until then we won’t because it would be misleading. We would rather get criticism then do something that is not right.

      2. Think about it like this. Most Wanted is an overall view of the driver market. Then we break it down by swing speed on MyGolfSpy. Both of these pieces of content and data are looked at generally very valuable pieces of information for the industry and golfers to help narrow choices down to ones that will most likely perform best for you. TGF goes much deeper and is much more in depth. It narrows the field down to just YOU and with more inputs. It is a much better recommendation for individual golfers. I think most are forgetting that when seeing something they expected to do everything and then some on Day 1.

      3. This product was created because there are so many golfers that DON’T get fit. It just so happens that we published the article on a site where that is not the majority and lets face it to a very cynical audience to begin with. But that does not mean this technology does not work and is not valuable to a large % of golfers around the globe.

      4. Global Golf for those that ask is just one of our retailers that we send traffic to. We also send direct to the manufacturers, Amazon, etc. We only do the recommendations we do not sell the clubs. So, for all of you out there that are trying to find a reason to tell us we sold out and how could we be unbiased because now we are selling clubs just need to remember that when we tell you for 10 years we are CONSUMER FIRST, we meant it. I also plan to build more websites, and yes they will make money. They have to. But the first goal of ALL of them is to help every golfer make more informed decisions, make it about performance and not marketing, put YOU before the others (including $) and always be about putting the power of back in the players hands. My career has shown this since my first day in the industry and it has for the last 20 years. There is a difference between being a skeptic and being a conspiracy theorists. I get readers being skeptical but the baseless assumptions some are throwing out are simply ridiculous. I have said it before, I hope one day you all realize I was in your corner the whole time and instead of spending your time trying to find out if I sold out you would spend it just trying to enjoy the product that we bust our ass day in and day out to give to golfers.

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