2020 Graphite Shaft Survey – The Results
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2020 Graphite Shaft Survey – The Results

2020 Graphite Shaft Survey – The Results

Several weeks ago, we asked you to take a graphite shaft survey. We wanted to understand the kind of shafts you’re playing, where you got them and gauge your perceptions of the brands across the industry. We received more than 5,000 completed surveys (5,192, to be precise) and, today, we’re sharing the results.

To keep things concise, we’ve eliminated the demographic stuff (not much has changed since our ball survey) and focused on the questions we thought were most interesting.

Before we dig into it, congratulations to Kem S., who was selected to win one dozen MGS-logoed balls from Golfballs.com.

The Results

2020 Graphite Shaft Survey

I don’t know that we’ve ever asked about swing speed in a survey before so this one is just an FYI. We know golfers don’t hit the ball as far as they think they do so it’s reasonable to wonder if golfers don’t swing as fast as they think they do, either. Regardless, it appears swing speeds for the average MyGolfSpy reader skew faster than the golfing population as a whole. That’s not mind-blowing info or anything but it’s good to know.

As a golf equipment site, I would again expect that we skew away from the general population of golfers. That said, my hunch is 78.85 percent would be considered a big number by most equipment companies. Having no previous insight into this aspect of our readership, I would have guessed 60 percent – tops.

2020 Graphite Shaft Survey

This is the answer I like to see. Retail Fitting Boutique accounted for more than a third of the aftermarket shaft purchases (at least within the “check only one box” choice we gave you). This suggests you’re getting fitted for your (presumably) bigger-ticket golf shafts. The surprising one here is ebay (online auction). I expected that number to be higher, though I suspect if we had asked about how many shafts you purchase in a given year, the persistent tinkerers among us would show significantly higher purchase rates through forums and online auctions.

It’s always tough to gauge the accuracy of the responses to this question. How much are we being influenced by the tour without knowing it? In a fitting environment, it shouldn’t matter but I’d be willing to bet many gearheads could recite every shaft Tiger has ever played (and they’ve tried all of them).

I will continue to argue that tour use doesn’t carry the weight it used to but how many shafts are there in OEM catalogs or on fitters’ walls that aren’t used on tour? I’d wager the percentages are low and that’s without discussing how tour play influences what goes into a manufacturer’s stock and aftermarket lineups.

In the survey, these were two separate questions but we decided to get clever and combine them into a single response. Among our readers, fitting rates for both drivers and irons exceeds 50 percent. In general, that’s awesome. It’s the right thing to do.

It’s also not particularly surprising that iron fitting rates are a bit higher. While most golf shops offer what amounts to “grab and go” service for drivers, between dialing-in length and lie angles, sorting through a growing catalog of shafts and accounting for grip preferences, comparatively few iron sets are sold off the rack.

2020 Graphite Shaft Survey

The 20,000-foot view: The reasons golfers don’t get fitted for irons are mostly the same reasons why they don’t get fitted for drivers.

Cost will always be an issue but, in many cases, the fitting fee is included in the purchase. Lack of consistency and “not being good enough” are, I’d argue, two reasons why you should get fitted. A good fitting can deliver greater consistency and ultimately improve your game.

The next two are similar and while I struggle to find much credence for either, I am aware there remains a segment that views custom fitting as something akin to a cash grab veiled in witchcraft.

Allowances must be made for the reality that not all custom fitting is created equal and while there are some excellent fitters working out of big-box stores (where the overwhelming majority of golf gear is sold), realistically most can’t match the expertise (or the inventory) at a full-service fitter like Cool Clubs, True Spec or TXG. All of that brings me to a broader acknowledgment that not every golfer has a competent fitter nearby. Driving a couple of hours (or more) for a fitting may not be a realistic ask of many of you, so yeah…I get that part of it.

Among those of you who chose Other were plenty who take a DIY approach to fitting. I’ve been known to do that a time or two myself. Some of you mentioned having a prior bad fitting experience. Others talked about not having the time (or being lazy). Winning clubs or receiving them as a gift was another frequent response as was “I know my specs.”

For whatever it’s worth, I do a ton of DIY work and having tried as much gear as I have over the years, I have a damned good idea what works for me but that said, I never pass on an opportunity to get a second opinion.

This is one of the more interesting questions for me and it’s not entirely because of the answers themselves. Given their prevalence in mainstream driver lineups, it’s not surprising that Fujikura, Mitsubishi and Project X top the list with similar percentages. In a typical year, the majority of stock offerings are reasonably evenly spread across the three – though anecdotally (and without counting), my guess is Project X has become increasingly more common.

While Aldila is beginning to find its way back into stock lineups (Rogue White in Mavrik Sub Zero, for example), the brand isn’t as prevalent as it once was.

Graphite Design is notable because it’s not a brand you find among the stock offerings. The business is almost entirely driven by upgrades and the aftermarket.

What I find most interesting are the responses listed under Other. There were some smaller brands listed (Paderson, Veylix and House of Forged). PING’s Alta lineup received several mentions, as did Miyazaki. Matrix is still kicking around, too. There was also a tremendous number of specific models (Tensei, EvenFlow, Kuro Kage, HZRDUS), which could suggest that while some golfers know what shaft they play, they don’t necessarily know the brand that made it.

2020 Graphite Shaft Survey

It’s no real surprise that the most popular brands are the most common in club lineups, on tour and basically everywhere. “Circle of life” type stuff. True Temper and KBS each account for 20 percent of what’s in your bags while Nippon and True Temper sister brand, Project X, aren’t far apart in the 13-percent range.

This result was to be expected. The names most everyone knows (and the brands every club manufacturer uses) are at the top. UST (Recoil) and Aerotech (Steel Fiber) smooth the transition to the other graphite brands.  We don’t need the steel versus graphite question to get a sense of the disparity in play between the two materials used in iron shafts today.

I’m a firm believer in the idea of “never saying never.” I can’t be alone in that so so perhaps there’s some wiggle room from the 32.53 percent who said they wouldn’t consider switching to graphite in their irons. I believe graphite shafts are the future of iron shafts (and I’m probably not the first to say it). Maybe that’s the case. Maybe it isn’t. But it’s worth pointing out that you’re not seeing graphite shaft brands jumping into the steel category but there’s some evidence (KBS, Nippon) that traditionally steel brands are trying to cross into the graphite space. It makes one wonder if there might just be something to it.

Fundamentally, I view the responses to this question as an education problem. There’s definitely some overlap in the answer choices we gave you but a good bit of the “why” behind a lack of interest in graphite suggests that graphite shaft producers haven’t done the best job of delivering the messaging.

Yes, it’s true there are fewer options. That’s true for both club manufacturer lineups as well as the aftermarket and especially true when you move into 120+ gram offerings where you can quite legitimately count the current offerings on a single hand. Accra had something, UST has the Recoil Proto (I miss the standard 125), and not long ago Mitsubishi launched a 125-gram version of the MMT.

For the most part, however, options top out at 115 grams or so and that’s an issue for those of us who’ve played tour-weight stuff forever. I suspect that’s the reason behind the idea that graphite won’t help faster swingers. It’s too light and, likely, won’t hold up to faster, more aggressive swings. Rhetorical question: Why wouldn’t a lighter-weight graphite shaft hold up to a faster swinger when graphite wood shafts in the 60-gram range are holding up just fine under the stress of PGA TOUR swing speeds?

The feel argument…If you’ve played steel forever and most, if not all, of what you’ve tried in the graphite space is the ultra-lightweight and stock-grade stuff, I suppose that’s a reasonable concern.

With a more focused message that conveys the benefits of graphite and, yeah, a wider range of offerings, too, there’s an opportunity to grow the graphite iron shaft market, though it will likely take some tour play before a significant percentage of the “steel and only steel” crowd is willing to take a look.

The One-Word Survey (Shaft Edition)

Included in the survey was a section of questions modeled after our One Word Brand Survey. The concept is simple, we give you a single word, you tell us which brand you most associate with it. If no particular brand comes to mind, you can choose none – and very often you do.

Here’s a selection of those questions.

It was a last-minute decision to publish this chart. Given our education-focused Shaft University series, it’s reasonable to think our readers are more familiar with recent Fujikura efforts in the educational space. Outside the confines of Shaft University, Fujikura and True Temper (which included Project X) have done an excellent job producing content to help golfers understand the features and benefits of their products as well as broader shaft-related topics.

That being said, the category remains ripe with secrets and misinformation. That’s not great for consumers, but the reality is that leaving some details out of the conversation is necessary to maintain business as usual.

I should also mention that larger brands garner the lion’s share of the responses for these type of questions. This hold true for nearly every survey we’ve ever done.

2020 Graphite Shaft Survey

We effectively have three brands that are dominant in the OEM shaft space (Fujikura, Mitusbishi and Project X) against smaller, mostly aftermarket options. As a small company trying to do something fundamentally different, TPT is a curiosity. It hit some bumps in the road but the fact that it’s viewed as more innovative than more established brands like UST and Oban could suggest that golfers see something unique in the offering.

Market leaders are typically leaders for a reason so, again, it’s not the least bit surprising to see the biggest names leading the pack. The drop off in Project X’s percentage of the responses is a little surprising but given that the company hasn’t been in the graphite space for nearly as long as the others, it could also simply be a matter of familiarity coupled with some influence from the next question.

2020 Graphite Shaft Survey

Again, we see four clear leaders and the actual numbers from the tour tell us that in any given week any of them could be at the top of the table. It’s just a guess but the Tensei series remains popular on tour and given that Tiger has used both Diamana and Tensei series shafts recently, it’s possible he’s swaying perceptions. At a minimum, it’s likely the shafts being used by a few players are driving perception.

Hype is a double-edged sword. It carries an inherently negative connotation and yet, if you haven’t generated some amount of hype, there’s a good chance nobody knows your name.

Project X basically doubling up Graphite Design and Fujikura is tough to wrap my head around. Perhaps some of it can be traced to its line of Handcrafted shafts which indisputably led some to believe Project X was doing something everyone other than TPT does (rolling shafts by hand) was somehow unique – even exotic. And yeah, we beat them up a bit over the T800 stock offering in the Callaway Epic driver.

That said, I’d also argue there’s a correlation between hype and exposure. In my opinion, Project X leverages social media better than any of its competitors in the shaft space and arguably does it better than may of the club companies.

I’d certainly like to understand why you selected the brand you did so feel free to use the comment section below to explain.

Again, this is about what you’d expect with the same brands popping up again and again. What I think is notable is Accra which even in single-digit numbers, has over-performed relative to its size across this survey. Accra isn’t as well known as most of the other brands included in this survey. That’s likely because you won’t find it in OEM lineups but it’s trusted by fitters and has built a small but loyal following among golfers in the know.

With None leading the way, it’s reasonable to say no shaft manufacturer has positioned itself as the undisputed leader in fitting. That’s reasonable, given that while most companies offer some sort of education platform for its fitters, ultimately the quality of the fit depends on the fitter more than it does the product. Every manufacturer on this list is capable of producing a shaft that will deliver performance for the golfer.

Do the results suggest an opportunity for a brand to step up and stake a claim as the leader in fitting technology?

2020 Graphite Shaft Survey

We know there’s a huge void in shaft education so we wanted to better understand how you’d like us to fill it.

We’ve tackled a bit of the design piece and have some other things in the works in that area but it’s not even a little surprising to have you confirm that there’s a lot of interest in OEM versus aftermarket shafts. Frankly, it’s a particularly challenging area to cover because shaft companies aren’t’ particularly interested in going down this road.

Whatever the full truth of the matter is, there’s no comfortable answer.

Are the high-volume OEM-grade shafts made with lesser materials and to lower tolerances? Are they watered down to cut costs?

Is it possible that aftermarket shafts aren’t that much different than the made for OEM offerings? Are exotic materials and tales of unique and elaborate constructions being used to artificially increase margins?

The Takeaway

Reading through your answers the thing that stands out is how much opportunity remains for shaft brands to inform and educate golfers. Mythology, misinformation, and ultimately confusion remain part of the shaft experience from the consumer perspective, and for lack of a more elegant term, that blows.

The category is always going to occupy a niche corner of the golf world, but for brands willing to step up and claim a leadership role in providing golfers with real information, I believe there’s an opportunity to separate from the pack.

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Tony is the Editor of MyGolfSpy where his job is to bring fresh and innovative content to the site. In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game. Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them. Most of all Tony believes in performance over hype and #PowerToThePlayer.

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      Stanford de Jong

      12 months ago

      I am surprised that this threat has a response 2 years ago already. Am I missing out on the most recent ‘graphite for irons’ survey? Now that I have hit 50, with running and golf in my repertoire of enjoyable activities, I have found that my lower back is now giving me quite a bit of grief. So, I’ve been investigating Aerotech Steelfibre irons (90g) as a possible strategy to increase longevity for my golf game. I’ve been fitted for the shafts, but hesitate quite a bit at the cost. Does lighter shaft = less stress on the back/spine equate to much?

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      Bob Pegram

      3 years ago

      An article explaining shaft flex profiles would be eye-opening for many people who have not been exposed to it. One contact to help in that area is Russ Ryden in Texas. He invented a machine that measures the flex of a shaft every few inches to create a graph of the flex. Initially most were owned by custom club makers. Now almost all are owned by shaft manufacturers. We had one when I worked for Leith Anderson, but I didn’t have time to measure the shafts. It was very time consuming. Ir shows the flexibility at every point in the shaft. This will give people an idea of shaft profiling: https://www.golfshaftreviews.info/authors/fit2score/ (click on brands on the right to see specific shaft models).

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      Bob Pegram

      3 years ago

      I just went to Russ’s site. Only some of the brands show the graphs. That still illustrates how it works.

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      Jamie B

      4 years ago

      Hi Tony,

      Great article and extremley informative. I have a question regarding Aldila’s OEM offerings. I was recently fitted to a Maverick SZ with the Aldila Rogue White 60 in stiff.

      Having a little knowledge about Aldila being a decent brand i did some checking regarding the msrp of the shaft direct from Aldila. The Rogue White is listed as $350(£267) on their website, which really got me thinking considering i paid £450 total for the Maverick is this really the legit rogue white shaft in it or is it a watered down version. Something highlighted in the article as a potentiality. My hope is like you said is that Aldila are trying to re-establish themselves in the OEM market so are offering what would be a premium aftermarket product to bully their way back in?

      Considering the other shaft on offer, Project Even Flow retails at $150 less than the Alida it really does make me wonder how they are doing this and still getting margins out of the sale without reducing cost somewhere??

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      Barry

      4 years ago

      This is a great job translating the data from the survey, Tony. I know I’d be more than willing to try graphite shafts in irons, wedges, putter… whatever is going to help me lower my score. I did have a set of Ping irons back in the early 00s that had graphite shafts. I cracked a shaft when I hit a root I couldn’t really see and traded that set in and never thought about graphite in irons again.

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      Pete Robbins

      4 years ago

      Hi Tony,
      interesting article, over here in NZ I fit graphite shafts to our putter. It allows the golfer to feel the weight of the putter head. The yips is caused by a fear of striking the ball too firmly, so at the point of contact the swing stops.
      Pete

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      Andrew

      4 years ago

      Love this. I think most golfers want to improve, and shafts can do that. Lack of trust in information from manufacturers makes it difficult for me to “want” to upgrade without a professional fitting, which adds to the cost of the upgrade. If there was some industry standardization, where information would be comparable and more accurate, I believe the shaft will become just as important to my purchase as look and feel of a club.

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      Rappers

      4 years ago

      I think one of the biggest problems is that golf shafts are not universal. In other words, there is no industry standard by which you can compare like for like. Just because it’s deemed a ‘regular’ shaft by the manufacturer this tells very little about the potential performance. Even the weight of the shaft can be misleading, especially when measuring the MOI of a club.

      Come on manufacturers, get together and produce a recognised standard for measuring shafts. This was done in the electronic music industry with General Midi in the 1980s!

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      TheRod

      4 years ago

      This isn’t one of the problems, in my mind this is the biggest problem in the shaft industry. There is no consistency between brands and no definitive way to measure shaft specs. That’s why getting fitted is so important. A stiff in one brand might be a regular in another and x-stiff in another when measured across common specs on a common device. The quality of the product is not in question. There are a lot of really good high quality shafts on the market. But they have nothing in common when it comes to specs and consistency in specs from one manufacturer to another. Hence the need to get fitted.

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      Geoff Mclean

      4 years ago

      Thanks for the good article.
      Here is what I still need to know. When I pay $600. For the latest and greatest driver, am I getting a watered down version of the advertised shaft?
      Why does anyone think it is fair to offer a lesser Shaft with the same name on it?

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      Bernard G

      4 years ago

      Isn’t it the other way around? You get both times the shaft that costs about 30 US $ to produce, once packaged with the driver, once billed separately for 600 US $. I bet you play much better with the identical shaft that cost you 600 $. It’s simple psychology.

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      Bobarino

      4 years ago

      Mitsu X’17 in my driver; Fuji TR in woods; Aldila Tour Green in my hybrids. I’ve tinkered more (prob a lot more) than the average golfer in the past few years with shafts. My one suggestion above all: holy crap if you can find the dollars buy a Mitsu X’17 shaft. The Fuji TRs are fantastic and I don’t understand why they haven’t gotten more love. The Aldila Tour Green is a perfect hybrid shaft for me cuz I want those to feel more like my iron shafts (DG TI) than my woods. Others I’ve tinkered with are Oban (at least four of their line-up), UST (Elements is great), Paderson (wildly underrated and deserving of anyone’s look even in iron shafts), and other Aldila shafts.

      The X’17 caught my eye last year and one day I was like “WTF, gonna do it”. I know my numbers and have an excellent club builder at hand and wasn’t scared I’d make a mistake on at least the flex/weight decision. Found one at a “reasonable” price. Built up two identical driver heads: one with the X’17 and another with a Paderson. My conclusion – Money does by love. The Paderson hits the ball no less well, but the feel of the X’17 is what I call not just “live”, but actually “Alive”. It’s solid and “there” for everything.

      Are the very high price tags on high end graphite justified? Let me say that I’m just as happy with the Aldila Tour Green ($33/pop) as with the Fuji TR (orig $400/pop but less now (I got mine off a prominent interweb auction site)). Mitsu, for a very high price, has a shaft that’s just different than the others, and it’s worth it. There are shafts with higher price tags out there, primarily Japanese spec, but I can’t imagine they are quantifiably better. The thing is, graphite shafts don’t need to be that expensive, unless you’re really focussed on feel.

      As my club builder says, he’s just as happy putting in a $60 shaft as a $500 shaft, since he’s just charging for his time. If your numbers are good with an inepensive shaft, it’s all just money after that.

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      wbn

      4 years ago

      Really good article. It was nice to see such a detailed report of a survey. I have been arguing shafts for years with golf buddies. Aftermarket makes a difference. I got fitted for a driver at Club Champion and gained 15-20 yards with an aftermarket version of an OEM shaft. I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t seen it on the monitor. Keep up the good work.

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      Mat

      4 years ago

      I think the reason that people are most interested in how shafts compare to standard shafts is the key finding…

      – People can often only access (easily) the shafts they send in fitting carts
      – People rarely “build one” for comparison
      – Most that choose to buy a driver shaft won’t fork out unless they get to try it once.
      – Most that choose an iron/wedge shaft upgrade are doing so blindly, and have to take on board things like Mizuno’s optimiser, etc.

      Thus, the primary source of information is “this feels like *that* one, but with a particular noticeable difference of x”. So keep those bits coming.

      Thanks.

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      Sweeney

      4 years ago

      Regarding the influence of the tour I think you missed a trick by not splitting it into male/female tours. I wouldn’t be influenced by the PGA tour but if someone was smashing it on the LPGA tour I would definitely take note of what clubs/shafts she was using. As someone who swings at 90-95mph the LPGA tour is more relevant to me for that sort of thing.

      Also, I disagree on the point that poor players should get fitted. I don’t think they should. Your clubs will probably last 5/6 years and a fitted shaft for a 25 handicapper won’t be much use 4 years later when you’re off 16. Your swing will be completely different. In my opinion, for anyone above 18 handicap it’s better to fit your game around the shaft than the other way about.

      Interesting article tho, I really enjoyed it.

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      Alex

      4 years ago

      While I don’t want to discount fitting at all. I will se my recent preference is using the titleist shaft analyzer to see what shafts I might like. It’s easy to find these used online for 50 bucks a piece, and you can take a few you think you might like to the range over multiple trips to get some real time with them, or ty them out for a number of rounds. I would say that my preferences change based on my current fitness level and how I’m playing, but over time I generally default back to the diamana blue I was fit for.

      At the very least I think I’ve learned some things about my swing and what works with it. Also maybe getting better at describing my likes and dislikes, to be better prepared for the next time I do a fitting…

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      Marty

      4 years ago

      Interesting reading I’m currently playing Nippon pro 950GH regular shafts in my Ping G400 irons. I couldn’t be happier with them beautiful feel and balance.

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      Cody Reeder

      4 years ago

      That was a awesome read. Well done. I find some of the answer very interesting. I think much of it is just not knowing.

      I think a big part of the confusion is simply the lack of anything standardized, and that most really have no idea how one shaft is different than another. Other than one is stiff and one is regular, and one is ladies flex.

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      Martin

      4 years ago

      Great article, I primarily play with Fujikura and Graphite Design,

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      Martin

      4 years ago

      Great article, I primarily play with Fujikura and Graphite Design, Great Survey

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      Mike

      4 years ago

      Shafts are in my opinion at least as important to feel and performance as heads are. My woods are all Mitsubishi Diamana . Blue Board and were a stock option for Titleist at the time. My launch angle and spin were just about ideal for my swing speed. I might have been able to max out a couple more yards but forgiveness needs to be considered when fitting for even low handicap but especially for mid and higher handicap. I have seen a couple of times where players went very light or too little loft. Their “perfect” hits certainly were impressive but consistency was lost and their scores tended to be higher or at least less consistent.

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      Mackdaddy9

      4 years ago

      Based on the swing speed data will you be gearing more of your testing data to the swing speeds of the members

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      ryan richardson

      4 years ago

      Graphite Design not getting all the love they deserve. When it comes to innovation and engineering, they are second to none. First in a lot of the innovations that all, if not most, shaft companies utilize. The DI and the BB are both over 10 years old, and still in a ton of bags on tour and in every Club Champion or Tour Spec etc… all over the world. With 6-8 shafts in 4 different flexes (and a chart to tell you each individual bend profile) it’s almost impossible to find a shaft that doesn’t fit you.

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      Chris C

      4 years ago

      Tony great info , I recently switched from steel kbs shafts to Areotech steelfibre I80 shafts 85 g , I tried several different shafts and found these to feel similar to be the best fit for me among the graphite shafts I tried , I was wondering if anyone else out there had experience with Aerotech steelfibre shafts and what your or their thoughts are on this brand. Thanks.

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      Ian

      4 years ago

      I’ve been playing aero tech steel fibres for about 2 years. Can’t fault them in any way. They play stiffer than most other shafts. I’ve played x100’s all my days and loved them. Getting on a bit and slowing down, I decided to look into graphite irons. I tried quite a few and found them all to have too much torque and too whippy. That was until I tried the steel fibres. I ordered 3 shafts an i80 stiff, I95 stiff and an i110 x stiff. After some trial and error I ended up with the i95 stiff. The game changer was very little torque and weighting to the correct swing weight. I have always played my irons at D2. I found most graphite iron too light and difficult to hit consistently The dispersion is very similar to my x100’s. I would say they play between s400 and x100. They are a lot smoother and very joint friendly on occasional mishits. My miss has always been left and I don’t like my clubs to be weighted at the hosel so for me I weighted them all with lead tape, tapered across the back of the club. Hopefully True Temper don’t shelve them the way Callaway did with Ben Hogan, I’d hate to go back to steel.

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      Dave S

      4 years ago

      Chris, I switched to the Aerotech i110cw about a year ago.. Prior to my fitting I never really considered graphite iron shafts. Aerotech is a great product and I’m very happy my fitter made the suggestion. Now that Aerotech is owned by True Temper hopefully the brand will get better marketing. Nice work Tony! Dave S

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      Michael

      4 years ago

      I’ve stated that MGS would set the golf equipment world by storm if they would tackle golf shafts like they are golf balls. I theorize the number of OEM and aftermarket shafts that are not meeting their stated specs is substantial.

      Why would shaft companies make products to tight tolerance if they are never going to get called out on it. Would be an expensive and complex test but well worth it. I can see it now: MGS introduces “Find it and bend it”

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      Andy LaCombe

      4 years ago

      Nice work Tony – that was very informative!

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      RC

      4 years ago

      I’m one of those who knew I played an aftermarket Ventus, but didn’t necessarily know who made it. Like many of us, I study hard on ALL golf equipment review websites (with MGS being the “tiebreaker” of course!), and then go try the shafts I think I might like. I got fitted years ago and still use those basic specs because they still seem to work for me. Funny thing is, in my experience, most aftermarket shafts I dial in with my personal basic specs work about the same – my old Matrix shaft performs about the same as my new Ventus, but the Ventus just feels a little better to me.

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      Steve

      4 years ago

      There is no question that shafts are the true “engine” in club fitting. Heads are a personal thing, but without the right shaft, we are all wasting our time and money.. I was at a spring DEMO day here in suburban Philly around 6 or 7 years ago. I picked up a random Nike Driver that was fitted with an OBAN shaft. I have never before — nor since, hit the ball like that, but when I realized the combined price for the Driver with THAT shaft would be almost $ 700, (then) I smiled and said no thanks. I am not entirely sure that disparity in pricing is something that is sustainable for premium, after- market shafts. Pioneer stopped making Hi Def TVs…..when they discovered the shopping public would not spend the premium their plasma TVs were demanding – and yes, they were that good. I see the same thing happening in graphite shafts here over time.

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      Donny

      4 years ago

      I laugh at self reported swing speeds on these type surveys. Considering launch monitor data reveals that a swing speed of 110 or greater correlates to an averge handicap of +2 and average PGA Tour swing speed is 114, it is doubtful that those surveyed swing as fast as they submit. It might be like self estimates on, ahem, other measurements. Its all fun and games, until you have to prove it!

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      Jeff

      4 years ago

      Yep. I told the pro I was getting lessons from that I could get up to 114 and he laughed at me. I proved him wrong (on one swing) but generally I equate this to “How fast can you throw?”. Whatever they say, deduct 15 mph.

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      Rob

      4 years ago

      I assist on a lot of fittings at our club that have trackman, it’s not uncommon at all to see guys that have swing speeds in the 113 to 118 range, not too many above that but 113 to 118 is not uncommon at all, and they are not flying all over the place, generally very good dispersion, the handicaps range from plus to 5 or 6.

      Not many 15 handicap 115 mph swings though..LOL

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      Robert

      4 years ago

      I’m playing the MMT sub 80 grams in my irons and it’s great. I think the tech with steel woven into the tip really works. I swing 80 to 85 irons and. I have heavier recoil graphite (120) in my wedges. The lightweight shaft has forced me to slow down my takeaway, but after that it’s fire away.

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      2Eagle

      4 years ago

      Great research, BUT why did you no list Homna shafts as an option ?. Homna has been on of the most innovative shaft makers since Graphite came out..

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      Tommy

      4 years ago

      Another great analysis by MGS………well done. I tried graphite shafts in my previous 2 sets of irons…………the Ping G25s and then the TaylorMade P790s. My biggest mistake with the Pings is that I fell in love with the launch monitor. The shafts were 70 grams and just too light for me………..at times I didn’t have a clue where the club head was. The next graphite shaft was an aftermarket 95 gram that my fitter “hard stepped”. I felt like I was swinging a 2×4. I purposefully didn’t mention the name of either manufacturer, because they are both quality organizations. So I then went with the Mizuno JPX 919 Forged Irons, and my fitter put me on the Mizuno swing analyzer. I hit the top 3 recommendations, went with the # 1 Project X 110 gram steel shaft, and am very happy I did. Although I’m 71 years old and my swing speed isn’t what it used to be, I like the weight, feel, and dispersion the Project X brings to the table.

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      Steve

      4 years ago

      I would like to see the results drilled down by Swing speed. what was best for the 70-80’s D and I, then 80-90’s, 90′-100 and so on. brand and model
      Thanks
      If I fall between 90-100, have been fitted but actually hated the shaft 2 weeks after, couldn’t feel the load or release. went back to my old standby.

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      Buckeye Doug

      4 years ago

      With unlimited money $4k club champion/true spec for a set of clubs is the way to go. Fitting throughout the bag (250 +), club heads, grips and shafts. One year of free club adjustments. However that is a lot of money if you are not a wall street hedge fund manager. The biggest problem with club fitting the lack of standard measurement of shaft flex by manufacturer. Golfers should be able to get generic Rx for clubs and heads then pay $150 to rent a demo set made to their specifications, which would go toward the purchase of your clubs.. Lack of clear information creates demand. My last club purchase I bought club heads on bay, and took them to my fitter and he installed after market shafts. ( Driver and 4 hybrids, about $800 out the door.

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      Danny

      4 years ago

      Doug I 100% agree with your statements. I require an extra stiff shaft, the only way I can actually get fitted with shafts accurate for me is to go to a Club Champion and get fitted. Golf Galaxy has a limited number of shafts that fit me so I never see a true comparison of what shafts work for me because none of them do! Any shaft that I would need would be considers an exotic which is a $300 – $400 upcharge on top of a new club and fitting. Looking at close to $700 to $800 for a new driver, would love it if the OEM shafts were suited for higher swing speeds.

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      craig

      4 years ago

      very interesting email ….yes the difference between oem and aftermarket shafts is very important to us the consumer..eg..ventus blue with taylormade…
      also EI graphs…how does that translate to ordinary people…..how do we compare between manufacturers….ie torque,tip stiffness etc.

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      Dan Sueltz

      4 years ago

      Excellent synopsis, Tony! A couple of surprises but in general I like the fact that more golfers are getting fit and see the value in it. Also like to see that just because a pro uses a shaft doesn’t me I should. Would be interesting to see if True Temper was seen as a leader in education because they seem to have done a lot over the last several years. Keep up the great work!

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      Max Johnson

      4 years ago

      What Id love to have as a resource (not putting the onus on you guys, just wishing on a star) is a shaft comparison tool. One of the problems is that the stock offerings in many drivers are “different” than the OEM offerings (there are millions of words on the internet whether the stock shafts are “real” OEM shafts, or cheaper versions the OEMs produce, etc).

      My point is this: take, for example the MIzuno ST190. It has a stock Fujikura Atmos blue shaft. If you con online and look for specs on an Amos blue shaft, all you will find are the “real” Fuji Atmos blue TS shafts. SO, is the Mizuno shaft the same? If not how does it play? Same goes for an old Nike Covert I had (theres no KuroKage Red shaft. Was it a black? What were the specs)
      So, it’d be super cool if there was a resource where you could plug in what shafts you like, and it spits out for you other shafts that have comparable performance. Even if it were an OEM and the only suggestions were their shafts (heck, I think thatd be smart for an OEM, you tell it “I had this Project X I really liked” and it says “Heres OUR shaft with similar characteristics).
      But because (as you guys even say) theres some much misinformation out there (to go with all the cloak and dagger stuff) its about impossible to know how one shaft will feel vs another.
      Unless you are a member of a club, finding a place to go for a fitting can be tough (Im in Cleveland, theres maybe 2 or 3 places within 30 minutes on the east side. Other than Dicks (they are useless)). I dont have that much time to spare to get fit for a shaft, nless I want to skip my round for that week

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      Alex

      4 years ago

      Google the titleist shaft analyzer. Not perfect, but it does give the torque, weight, tip and but stiffness for I think 170 shafts. You can compare up to 4 at a time. Or instead don’t waste 40+ hours of your life on the tool like I did and spend that 40 hours earning extra money for an updated fitting. Cool thing though is it is all measured by them so you have an apples to apples comparison.

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      T Stripling

      4 years ago

      Interesting article. Totally agree with your closing comments. Thanks Tony

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      Steve S

      4 years ago

      The thing I’d like to see is a standardized rating system for shaft stiffness. I have a X shaft in a driver that bends like one I have that is a “firm”. ( I had them checked at Golfworks on their “bend board”)

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      don

      4 years ago

      Alot of people I am sure wrote they were fitted because they hit a few balls on a range or in a bay and some one made a few suggestions. I know for a fcat that after Callaway, or Titleist days at the range I have heard people say they were fitted for a driver or irons. That said you have to drive 4+ hours away from here to get more than that type of fitting.

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      Peter

      4 years ago

      Great survey guys, thanks for taking this on. I am one of those golfers at age 75 who has been experimenting with graphite shafts in my irons. I have MMT’s in a set of PXG’s and I like them, BUT I still lean toward steel. for consistency. I love my 85 gram Nippon shafts.

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      Stuart Anderson

      4 years ago

      If you like Nippon then you need to try the Modus 105 regular shaft and soft step stone club length. I am 81 years old with a3 handicap. It will put 10 rards to each club and straight.

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      Robert Lund

      4 years ago

      I never was concerned about shafts, only overall performance and feel of clubs.
      Lately, I see golfers paying more for shafts than they paid for the club, especially drivers. Is this hype or are there $500=$700 shafts out there?

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      Reid

      4 years ago

      Oban def has some in that range.

      Reply

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