Titleist T100 S Iron
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Titleist T100 S Iron

Titleist T100 S Iron

When Titleist launched only five new iron models last fall, I figured that meant I’d be telling you about another new Titleist iron right about now. And, yup, here we are, though the T100•S isn’t even remotely what I thought we’d be talking about.

As part of our annual Editor’s Choice Awards, we discussed the evolution of the Titleist brand, specifically my assertion that the overhaul of its club lineup has been nothing short of dramatic. It’s as if the company managed to chisel off its cement shoes, take several steps forward and actually do something different and, dare I say, interesting. Perhaps more impressive is how, thus far, it has been able to strike a balance between maintaining its identity and reinventing itself.

Case in point: A year ago, the T100•S would have been totally out of character for Titleist but if you’ve been keeping up with the new (and improved) version, it makes perfect sense.

Titleist T100 S Irons

The Simplest Iron Story Ever Told

If you’re looking for a complicated technology story, you’ve come to the wrong place. Guys, this one is as easy as it gets, so I’m going to move fast.

The T100•S is almost exactly like the T100, except that the lofts are 2° stronger. The S stands for Strong.

Done.

I’ve been told that I sometimes can be overly technical so I want to make sure I didn’t lose any of you.

Everybody good?

Titleist T100 S Irons

Is that it?

Let’s address what many of you are probably thinking. No, Titleist didn’t just take T100, bend it 2° stronger, Sharpie an “S” on it, and do the Vegas dealer thing – clap its hands, maybe give you a touch of spirit fingers – walk away from the table and call it a day.

When you change the loft of an iron, the bounce goes with it. In a “better player’s” club, that’s a turf interaction problem waiting to happen. If you’re reducing loft to add distance and you have any aspirations of holding greens, you’re going to have to move some weight around inside the head as well.

The point I need to convey as that while the T100•S has the same bones – the same look and feel of the T100 – the internal tungsten weights were reshaped to shift the center-of-gravity locations lower to provide optimal launch with less loft.

And, yes, the soles were tweaked as well to keep bounce angles consistent with the T100.

Titleist T100 S Irons

Why?

Why loft-jack a better player’s iron? (You might ask.)

It’s no secret that the “player’s distance” category has taken off in recent years. Nearly every manufacturer has a set of irons (if not multiple sets) in the category but Titleist thinks something is missing.

That “something” is a true single-piece solid-face forging. “Think of it as a player’s distance iron with all caps on the word PLAYER’S,” says Josh Talge, Titleist’s VP of Golf Club Marketing.

If you accept that what’s missing from the player’s distance category is an emphasis on players, you’ll be excited to know that Titleist says it has the solution.

Titleist T100 S Irons

Talge says the idea for T100•S isn’t much different than the intent behind the original AP2. That was supposed to be what we now think of as a player’s distance iron but as it became popular on tour, the distance part of AP2’s story faded away.

What you get with T100•S is a compact body, narrow sole and a thin topline. Sound familiar? T100 is the embodiment of the modern player’s iron. Add an S, and you’ve still got a T100, but you’re sure as hell going to get more distance.

Bottom line: It looks the same as T100 – that’s kinda the point – but it plays differently.

If that’s not appealing to you, remember that T100, T200, T300, 620CB, 620MB, and maybe something else will be on the rack next to it.

Another Word about Loft Jacking

We’ve covered this many times before but, what the hell, I’ll bang my head into the wall again. Yes, everybody is jacking their lofts, but it’s time to start coming to terms with the idea that static loft (the number listed in the catalog) doesn’t tell you much of anything about performance. Even on a relative basis, it won’t tell you launch angle, spin rate, peak height, descent angle or whether you’ll be able to stop a ball on the green. All of that stuff is heavily dependent on additional factors like geometry and CG location.

That’s not to say all loft-jacked irons perform as advertised but it also doesn’t mean that none of them does.

When Titleist offers an 8.5° driver head, nobody shakes their fists and yells at a cloud about how they have a 10.5° driver in their bag and that they are sick of these sons-of-bitches loft-jacking the big dog. “Back in my day, son…”

Back in your day, drivers were made of wood and golf balls were filled with feathers. Things change.

Nobody complains about lower-lofted drivers because everyone understands that loft is an essential fitting variable. Guys, loft is an essential fitting variable for the rest of the bag, too. Loft isn’t the SAT; there’s more than one right answer.

The New Normal

Another consideration is that there is a new generation of golfers making their way to the PGA Tour, guys who have never played anything other than jacked lofts. It’s not as if Viktor Hovland and Matthew Wolff – young guns who make Jordan Spieth look like Phil Mickelson with skinnier calves – are betting their success on a transition from what they’ve always played into loft-deficient irons.

It’s true. Stronger-lofted irons may require a fresh look at gapping, some reconfiguration of the bag and perhaps even an extra wedge. We’re not hiding from that,” says Talge. “We have a robust wedge business.”

While that might sound scary, there’s some research – admittedly in its infancy – into the possibility that the way we gap our bags now is fundamentally flawed.

I don’t know if the T100•S is for you. What I do know is that growing numbers of golfers are flocking to the player’s distance category. For its part, Titleist aims to bring a different kind of swagger with the hope of reaching golfers for whom “player’s distance” hasn’t been quite “player-centric” enough.

Maybe that’s you.

Titleist T100 S Irons

Retail Price for the Titleist T100•S Iron is $175/club ($1,399/8-piece set) with steel shafts and $187.50/$1,499 with graphite. The stock shaft is the Project X LZ, but consider all of Titleist’s no-upcharge offerings at your disposal.

Pre-sale begins March 12 with full retail availability starting March 27. For more information, visit Titleist.com.

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      Biebs

      3 years ago

      This is a brilliant concept from Titleist, and no it isn’t always about your ego. I’ve been playing T100 and loved them, but were just too high of launch angle. I add dynamic loft an impact, has always been an issue for me so played heavy shafts (S300) to keep the flight down. With the ‘S’ version, I can play the same head I love, but get shafts that are more suited to my swing speed and tempo while still bringing down the launch like I need to. Just was fitted at True Spec for a set of these, am pumped to get them. Would’ve had zero issued continuing with the T100 as they are lovely irons and the best I’ve played, but really believe these will help to improve my game just by having a little less loft – regardless of how far I’m hitting each club.

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      Steve

      4 years ago

      I would personally feel that the number on the bottom is only a guide for me. I’ll hit the club that suits the shot i want to hit, and if a slightly stronger loft (as the T100s are only 2′ stronger than the original AP2 loft anyway) helps me to achieve that more consistently then great. This thread seems to be more about peoples comparative ego being bruised because in their eyes some chopper hits their new 8-iron further than their bladed 7-iron they’ve used for 30-years

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      Dan

      4 years ago

      You hit the nail on the head with this comment.

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      24Linc

      4 years ago

      It’s nice that Titleist has come up with another option for players who need lower dynamic loft to fight spin/launch issues. But this is different from 27 degree GI 7 irons with 6 degree gapping for wedges and 2.5 degree gapping for long irons that you can only play effectively 5 to pw then gw, gw. How is a set of 5 to pw then two gap wedges different from a set of 4 to pw then gw with shorter shafts if the loft of the first set’s 7 iron is the same as the 6 iron in the later set? Now there has been enough argument about lower CG in irons so that the static loft have to drop to counter that have we seen any serious in depth tests done? especially done with 4 or 5 iron for different skill level of golfers? Probably not. People keep on talking about peak height which stays about the same from your wedge to your 7 and 6 and will start dropping depending on club speed around 5 iron of 26 degrees of loft. So that’s why 7 irons are jacked up to about 27 degrees because you won’t see much difference by looking at peak height. But the launch angle and spin will be very different and your 6 iron at 24 degrees and 5 iron at 21 degrees are not going to hold the green so well. In the end who cares if you are playing a jacked set or not you still have the same number of irons, the only problem is that the 2.5 degree gapping for long irons and 6 degree gapping for wedges certainty will not be beneficial to many players. If you want to know how irons should be gapped go look at TXG’s session where Matt was trying the Wishon sterling SL irons. Each iron’s loft was altered to hit a certain distance so that each iron actually may not have the exact same loft difference. And interesting enough they actually added loft to the set so that Matt could hit the irons to a distance that he is comfortable with and I think Ian talked about the peak height drop off there.
      Last thing that I would ask Tony, as mentioned in the article that delofting in irons seems to be a norm now, a 7 iron of 32 to 36 degree I could understand to fit different players needs but 27 to 29 degree 7 iron? Wouldn’t that equate to a driver of like 5 degrees? Why don’t we see 5 degree drivers with more rear weighted CG when it’s much easier to move CG in a driver? We know a lower lofted driver could produce more ball speed. Now 8.5 degree drivers have been around for a long time.

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      Robert

      4 years ago

      Bryson’s driver loft is 5 degrees…

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      Nihonsei

      4 years ago

      Can’t believe I read this whole fussy thread. What’s the big deal here? No worse lofts than the AP3s except the 4* gap starts at 6i to7i instead of 7i to 8i. T100 S look nicer and probably won’t feel as heavy head or swing weight as the AP3. Only 2* stronger than T100 which are the same specs as my MP59s. and the 919 Tour.
      T100 S lofts = JPX 919 Forged though stronger 9i and PW AND you can have a 3i I haven’t seen the drama with Mizuno specs, even with the Hot Metal. Y’all Hush that Fuss over here. I’m impressed with the Titleist putting out another option I feel is geared towards attracting my investment… I’m going looking and hope they drop in Black!

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      SEDGE

      4 years ago

      Tony, as with many of your other articles – well done.

      I really enjoyed your overview of the irons themselves, but perhaps more so your perspective over the loft discussion; expertly detailed in its simplest form.

      My one ask/takeaway from this article? PLEASE share with us a deeper dive regarding the way we “gap” our clubs.

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      Jacob Dubuc

      4 years ago

      Am I the only one who thought as soon as these were announced. Great!… Now I don’t have to have two of the same numbers in my mixed bag of T100’s and T200’s….??? As in now, I don’t have to have two 6 irons…

      4 & 5 Irons in T200 – 6-PW in T100s

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      Dennis

      4 years ago

      Tiger woods still uses weaker loft my point is just make sure to know your distance on each of your irons and don’t aim on the flag aim in the middle of the green. Listen to what tiger woods said , he know more that we do.

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      Bob Johnson

      4 years ago

      Well written Dennis…

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      Ron

      4 years ago

      Intrigued by your comment about the way we gap our bags being fundamentally flawed. Where can I find out more?

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      Mike

      4 years ago

      What a bunch of BS. Not the article or the clubs but the comments. The idea behind a club is to produce a god shot. The same club doesn’t work for everyone I have demoed T-100, T-200 and T-300 irons. They are all great clubs. I prefer the T-100’s because of their traditional shape and they will be easiest for me to adjust to from my Titleist CB’s. I certainly hit the T-300’s at least a club longer and would just have to adjust my set but reality is whatever I do I need to fill in between a 180 yard hybrid and a 95 yard 54* sand wedge with 6 clubs. The T-100S is just another option that will suit some and just be an overpriced doorstop for others.

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      Ol'Pal

      4 years ago

      I could read some of these dummies call each other out, all day long.
      My solution is a simple one! Either write from intelligence or from your thoughts !
      Research & Knowledge gained from Reputable sources such as this:
      http://www.golfwrx.com/author/tomwishon/
      and others is a start in the right direction.

      When I was into club building (cough) , inherited from my Brothers passing.
      Now he was a True Club Builder, he taught me about lengths, weights of iron & woods [governed] , swing weighting & other important data.
      So I suggest doing a little reading & research on the clubs we use ( & buy) to play this wonderful game that we all Love no matter how Good or Bad we are @ it!
      I won’t be able to afford these irons for some time as we’re retired & on a fixed income !
      When I do i’ll get 6 iron thru PW & W + Gap, & Sand Wedges
      Also will have in my bag; Driver, #3 + #5 woods, #4 + #5 hybrids + Putter

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      Rod_CCCGOLFUSA

      4 years ago

      I’ve lightened my bag by switching to an Otie Crissman Old Goosie putter bent to 4-degrees loft I substitute it for all clubs P-5. & sometimes use it off the tee.. I don’t have to practice or agonize over club selection with a range finder. My time per round is down dramatically—- and my score is about the same. Lol.

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      Mike

      4 years ago

      So with no mention of forgiveness I guess Titleist is not concerned about us players distance fans that look for both distance and forgiveness.

      Probably not for me.

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      Tony Covey

      4 years ago

      That’s where T200 comes in.

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      NH Golfer

      4 years ago

      Really? You think the T200 is more forgiving?

      Justin

      4 years ago

      I believe this is for the players. T300 might be better for you if you are looking for foregiveness

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      THOMAS

      4 years ago

      SO MUCH FOR LOFT JACKING
      I PLAY AP2 2014 IRONS – PITCHING WEDGE LOFT STATES 50*
      SEVERAL YEARS AGO I PLAYED WILSON STAFF – PITCHING WEDGE LOFT 50*
      TODAY THEIR ARE MANUFACTURES WITH 43* PITCHING WEDGES

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      Gebby

      4 years ago

      Your (W) 50 degree wedge is not your pitching wedge. Your(PW) pitching wedge has 46 degrees and your 9 iron is 42 degrees. Not that many years ago the pitching wedge standard was 48 degrees and a little before that the PW was 50 degrees. My Wilson Staff Fluid feel from around 1985/6 was at 48.

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      Dave C

      4 years ago

      Hi Thomas, are you sure you’re not referring to the W wedge, stock loft at 50*? The AP2 714 (2014 model) stock P wedge is 46*.

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      HAC

      4 years ago

      Would people be happier if they took a seven iron with a stronger loft and called it a six iron with a shorter shaft?

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      BlarneyBoy

      4 years ago

      Really like HAC’s answer. I really don’t care what everyone else uses. Get the ball in the hole. My club is an over 55 men’s group, on a 160 yard par 3 seen
      55 year old’s hit driver & 80 year old’s hit 8 irons? :-)

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      Bladeho

      4 years ago

      I love seeing that player is the golfer in mind for these new irons. Everybody who loves this too should definitely consider the Honma Tour World 747 P irons. They have a slim topline, little offset, great looks and they feel just as good as the forged ones and are even reasonably priced. I love mine and I used to love blades only when I was younger.

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      scott

      4 years ago

      Them are some pretty irons that I’ll never buy…. I always believed in playing forgiving irons and don’t care about jacking up the loft, . just how far the irons go. If a 6 goes 150 yards then I want my 7 to go 140 give or take a yard.. I find the ego hurts your score more then any club in your bag. ..I’ love to bet the golfer who wants to tell me how far they hit there 7 iron like that a gauged on how good they play. Callaway XR Stealhead believer

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      Mike the Shark

      4 years ago

      The thing I don’t like about virtually any modern irons is why do they have to look all angular and pimped up, like some kind of high tech monstrosity? I have a degree in design, we live in an age of seer design nightmares (look at some of the college football and pro uniforms, look at the ugliness of the average McMansion these days). Back in the day, Titleist made some beautiful irons with flowing lines. I see no logical reason why the modern tungsten this and weight distribution that couldn’t be incorporated into a design that looks like something Michelangelo would carve–like the old Staff musclebacks. Why must they make these clubs that look like Tony Stark’s tech toys?

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      Robin

      4 years ago

      It’s not about the club it’s all about kicking a dead horse.

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      Steve S

      4 years ago

      I really don’t care what is marked on the club or what loft it is. I care about knowing what each iron will produce(height, spin and distance) and what the gaps are. I don’t carry a 4 iron anymore and replace it with a hybrid. My biggest concern is hitting enough driver so I can hit a 150 yard club into the green on par 4’s.

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      Jan

      4 years ago

      I like the look of these irons and give kudos for Titleist to bring these irons I always looked for the classic profil of T100 with T200 lofts.
      And now here they are. Will try them and see how they perform.
      What I dont like is how Titleist now is doing the same thing again what they did with driver. At least you could inform the people “we have smth in the back log” because I would be really pi**** if i just bought new T100.

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      Don

      4 years ago

      I also am sick of people crying about lofts. Get what you want and stay out of my bag. I have had multiple shoulder surgeries and I don’t exaggerate on my swing speeds. They are slow. 98-102 driver and 89-84 on irons. So I need stronger liftoffs to get distance. Plus due tonsaid shoulders, my swing plane is steep so I get the ball up in the air which also reduces distance. Stronger lifts keep the ball flight lower so the wind doesn’t kill me as much. These clubs look very classy and the write up is outstanding once again. I play Callaway Apex CF16 and these have even stronger lifts than those. With a U wedge at 48 I would have to change my wedges probably to keep gapping good. It would be worth a fitting to try. Thanks for the article. Great job.

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      shortside

      4 years ago

      Your swing speed is slow compared to a PGA tour pro. Not the average player.

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      mackdaddy9

      4 years ago

      They look good. I don’t care about jacked lofts per say. I just don’t think they are needed. I would not buy jacked lofts because then it would throw the gaps of my bag out the window. All my clubs are 4* apart or 3.5* so the distance gaps are consistent. Other than that I don’t think what the starting point of the gaps is so long as they give you consistent shot yardages. I love the feel of my KZG forged irons they feel like hitting thru soft butter. I worked the last couple years as GM of a country club so I have been able to hit almost every type of iron on the market. Nothing really feels like the fully forged irons I play. The hotter stronger lofted irons tend to feel really hard and clicky. They also seem to be hard to shape the ball.

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      Tiger Woods

      4 years ago

      The real reason I think here that could be considered is I see many reviews on you tube and in general where people feel the T100’s spin quite a bit at traditional loft and traditional type shaft. I have this set and I Like the feel and turf interaction. I have this set with KBS $Taper 120 shafts and at traditional loft they do spin more than other set ups I have at same lofts. I did got get the set strong lofted by 1 degree throughout and it made a significant difference. in performance, feel, and turf interaction was crisper. These are fantastic feeling irons and gone is the metallic trampoline feel from generations of the past and while 718 Ap2 made that go away as well these are definitely next level AP2’s and very impressed with this version on every level.

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      john young

      4 years ago

      If you read the article, you’ll notice that Titleist sad that they have a VERY STRONG WEDGE Business… This is exactly what the manufacturers wanted to create (now everyone needs 3/4 wedges to make up for the loft decrease in the set makeup) besides satisfying the ego based golfers that want to hit their irons either the same distance they did 20 yrs. ago or farther. Not a bad idea for marketing and sales…. Not so smart if the company doesn’t have that STRONG WEDGE business….

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      Tony Covey

      4 years ago

      What’s the difference? You’re still buying 14-clubs from some mix of brands. To make room for that extra wedge, you have to take something else out of the bag, which theoretically removes the opportunity to sell you a more expensive club like a fairway wood or hybrid.

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      Rob C

      4 years ago

      Tony, don’t let you=r facts get in the way of someone’s perfectly ill informed rant. It’s all marketing, didn’t you know that! :)

      RSeg

      4 years ago

      Not true… in the 80’s Player carried 2 and 3 irons. Not even the pros carry those irons because they would have imposible lofts. We are getting less “set” irons and more “driving irons” or hybrids on the long clubs and more wedges on the short clubs.

      A ser of these would start on a 5 or 6 iron and a few hybrids. The 48* PW of the 80’s is now the gap 1 and you would need a gap 2

      Robert

      4 years ago

      I think this is a great idea by them. The reason I stopped playing AP2’s is that I had to bend them 1-2 degrees strong to get my spin down, but then the offset was too much and I aimed everything left. This fixes that. I doubt I’ll change now because I love the irons I’m playing, but this is a solid idea.

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      Duffer E

      4 years ago

      I personally would like to see the PGA implement a hard-and-fast, violate-this-and-you-will-be-deemed-‘non-conforming’-rule where all clubs have a static loft, i.e. a 7-iron is 34-degrees, a 4-iron is 24, etc., etc. More than 1/2 a degree off, and onto the non-conforming pile you go.

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      Funkaholic

      4 years ago

      What a stupid and obviously uninformed comment, why not make them all exactly the same material, construction, shap, size, CoG. MOI, swing weight length, flex …….you are an idiot.

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      Gerald Teigrob

      4 years ago

      Junkaholic, obviously your comments are the only stupid ones.. If you were to listen to Tom Wishon, he does get the swing weight and design right if you want to be exact. Any dumbass would know that even though the lofts on a golf club are stronger, I can still hit my Adams A7 6 iron as far as my Bio Cell 6 iron. That goes for my 8 iron and pitching wedge. Stronger lofts give the ego a boost but when you put down a ten year old Adams A7 iron and a Cobra Bio Cell iron, they still go the same distance. You don’t lose any distance by jacking up the lofts in your irons. My Bio Cell 6 iron is 26.5 degrees and my A7 6 iron is 29 degrees. They still produce the same shot and trajectory if hit properly. I think what people here need to realize is yes, newer equipment can give the feeling that they are hitting the ball longer than they think they are. But in all reality, I would suggest that you test older clubs out and compare. And remember an improvement of 10 or 20% is some kind of euphoria. It all depends…whether that slight increase causes you to hit more water hazards or sand traps because you forced a shot to go for the glory. By using the same swing mechanics and the same alignment, the gains you might see in distance will pale in the long run to learning how to hit the ball pure. I would suggest that we look at focusing more on swing mechanics basics and alignment before we look at the lofts on clubs… My current 5 iron is just short of what my 3 iron used to be…and with lofts of 3 and 4 irons into the 19 and 16 degree range, does that make them any easier to hit? All it means is that instead of playing a 3 iron to pitching wedge, we are now playing a 4 iron to gap wedge with traditional 3 iron to pitching wedge lofts. a 5-gw is the equivalent to playing a traditional 4 iron to pitching wedge.. You can strengthen lofts on pitching and gap wedges, but you end up with diminishing returns. Just my experience and opinion over the years I’ve been playing this great game!

      Joe

      4 years ago

      I totally agree with you Duffer E. Sorry you had to see the ignorant comment left by jackassaholic.

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      Jeff

      4 years ago

      What would a club that is 35 degrees be called in your hypthetical? a “7.25 iron”? A “6.75 iron”?
      Would all players be forced to carry exactly the same equipment?
      Funkaholic seems to have found a dog whistle for idiots.

      David

      4 years ago

      Ok, all drivers should be 7.5*. Now do you see how dumb your loft logic sounds? And no adjustment either, that’s against the rules.

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      HAC

      4 years ago

      Boy, it sounds like a lot of people here care more about ego than their score. I try to buy clubs for me that work best for me and do not care when I pick up a seven iron on a par 3 whether the guy playing with me has a 6 iron or an 8 iron. I care whether the club I hit helps me get the ball on the green. When we start legislating lofts, maybe we should go back to wooden shafts, wood heads on woods and balata golf balls. Why do you guys care so much about the clubs other people are using?

      Funkaholic

      4 years ago

      Man, I triggered some serious morons, the guy invoking tom Wishon obviously has reading comprehension issues. I happen to be very familiar with Wishon and he is arguing a point nobody made. He seems to be bitter about shiny new toys he can’t afford so he is poo pooing their existence. The Idea that we should hamstring technology to appease purist fascism is ludicrous.

      NH Golfer

      4 years ago

      The PGA does not implement rules. We don’t need more rules.

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      Gunter Eisenberg

      4 years ago

      Long ago, there was a time when the loft of player’s irons and GI and SGI irons had the same loft iron for iron.

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      Sharkhark

      4 years ago

      I used to jump all over the strong lofts. But that was because initially I saw a lower ball flight with not enough spin to hold the green.
      So that was loft jacking…
      But a recent sim test session of a strong lofted iron showed huge distance and high launch.
      If the distance increases and the height is still there then I’m changing my attitude. No more raised pitchfork while I bemoan strong lofts.

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      Rob

      4 years ago

      Great Post!

      I want to copy and paste this reply, to use for those who haven’t actually tried it, like you did. They just scream jacked lofts and the sky is falling.

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      Sean

      4 years ago

      Tony, you alluded to a fundamental flaw in tapping of the bag. I’m sure there’s a reason you only alluded to it. But wow I would sure love to hear more about that- even if it’s only in its infancy, as you stated.
      Always appreciate the content.

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      Dominick Tomaino

      4 years ago

      I’m 75 my handicap is 7.9.
      I play Taylormade P790s because iI love the look . My 7 iron goes 150 about the same
      as it’s been all my life. I eas as hope for a bit more distance so I tweaked the clubs 6,7,8 and 9 .
      Then I read your article

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      Jimmy

      4 years ago

      I applaud Titleist. Better players who have the speed and aren’t easily gimmicked will likely stick to the standard T100, while those who might have lost a little clubhead speed or are between sets can give these a try. These stronger lofts are still short of most GI irons (and far weaker than Callaway’s latest 21 degree 7-iron or whatever it is). Never hurts to give consumer more options. Will be curious to see how they do in sales with these, particularly with all the other forged players distances options out there.

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      Dylan Hamilton

      4 years ago

      I wish these online golf “personalities” would stop comparing distance and spin rates in one 8 iron to another and start comparing dispersion and stopping rates at certain distances. Sure the new 8 iron doesn’t spin like a early 2000’s blade, but is it more forgiving than your current 7 iron which is really what it’s replacing….

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      Tony

      4 years ago

      You DO lose something with jacked lofts- D-PLANE. Yet almost no one talks about it. It’s why you hit your PW more accurately than your 4I.

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      Tony Covey

      4 years ago

      D-Plane and anything related to club delivery is driven by dynamic loft, not static loft. The fundamental design principle behind every set of strong lofted irons is to create more DYNAMIC loft per degree of static loft.

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      Eric

      4 years ago

      Lower dynamic loft, not more.

      Tony Covey

      4 years ago

      Nope. With jacked lofts, you have lower (strong) static lofts. To overcome that and provide playable trajectories (higher peak heights, steeper landing angles with stopping power) you need more dynamic loft. If you deliver comparably less dynamic loft with an already low lofted iron, you’re going to have trajectory problems.

      HAC

      4 years ago

      Tony, I am confused by your comment that a player loses something with jacked “lofts.” When I have 150 yards to the green, I am likely to be hitting a club with a combination of length, loft, etc., that will get me 150 yards, not a specific club whether it is a 6 iron, a 7 iron or whatever. If I needed a 7 iron with “jacked” loft to get there, wouldn’t I likely need a 6 iron with a more traditional loft – in other words, I might be using a club with the same loft even though one would be called a 7 iron and the other a 6 iron. What am I losing with the jacked 7 iron? Very interested in your thoughts. Thanks.

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      Jeff

      4 years ago

      When stupid players demand stupid solutions to problems that don’t exist, smart companies will provide them.

      Why should Titleist sit on the sidelines and let Callaway and Taylormade scam all the suckers?

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      Alex

      4 years ago

      That’s a pretty broad stroke to paint with. While I likely would not play these irons, I consider myself a decent iron player. I have very high spin rates, which probably could be cured with regrooving my swing or if I had grown up with having some proper teaching in the first place. With two kids that amount of time to dedicate to reducing spin is just not possible. However, I also like to play shortened clubs. If a 5 iron is built several degrees stronger, it’s essentially a shorter 4 iron that is properly swing weight balanced. I am positive that I would still have no issues holding greens with these even with jacked lofts. Don’t really care what the loft number is, in my current set I just drop the 4 iron and get the set gap wedge. I am sure I not the only player in this category, don’t think that makes everyone stupid…

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      Jeff

      4 years ago

      Alex. Calling a 5 iron a 7 iron is solely for the purpose of finding a consumer stupid enough to believe that they’ve gained something. People who are stupid.
      All the same game improvement technology could be put in a club without calling it something that it isn’t.
      Does that mean that everyone who buys them is stupid? No. Many players, as you’ve explained, realize the dishonesty and try to manage around it.
      Applaud Titleist for leaving the gaps at 4 degrees in the scoring clubs. How anyone could buy a TM or Callaway set with 6 degree gaps in scoring clubs and 2.5 degree gaps in “long irons” is laughable. They’re the truly stupid. .

      Gerald Teigrob

      4 years ago

      I agree with Jeff here. Mostly jacking lofts are for ego and not because you can hit the ball that far. Knowing I am playing a 5 iron that used to be 7 iron loft doesn’t necessarily affect how far I hit the ball. It’s nice when you pure a shot, but when you start thinking that jacking lofts means you’re actually hitting the ball farther than you think, maybe you need to go back to the basics. This is more due to an aging golfer population, but I am just as much for playing traditional game improvement irons and yet I can still play as well with the traditional lofts. Anymore I am seeing companies like Cobra not as quick to jump on the loft of the Bio Cell irons or even the F6 irons as lofts remain at 45 and 50 degrees for the pitching and gap wedges. Only in the F8s and F9s has that changed slightly, but I wouldn’t get too excited about the ho-hum loft bandwagon anytime soon!

      SV

      4 years ago

      Just because something is repeated over and over does not make it true. Irons are for precision, not distance. Maybe the Ben Hogan Company had the right idea after all in putting lofts on irons as opposed to iron numbers. As a 70 year old I find it interesting that I hit 2 clubs less from 150 yards than I did 30+ years ago. It’s because of the ball and that my “7” iron is really a 5 iron or in some cases a 4 iron. Soon we will have a 20* “7” iron and who knows how many wedges.

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      Dominick Tomaino

      4 years ago

      I’m 75 my handicap is 7.9.
      I play Taylormade P790s because iI love the look . My 7 iron goes 150 about the same
      as it’s been all my life. I eas as hope for a bit more distance so I tweaked the clubs 6,7,8 and 9 .
      Then I read your article

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      Evan

      4 years ago

      You literally have been deaf to what MGS has been saying then…. Bottom line is there are TONS of different loft combinations that are out there. All of them have different launch and decent angles and overall different reasons for being lofted the way they are. You may hit a blade 7 iron and a distance 7 iron with the EXACT same launch and decent angle, but they may have a 20 yard discrepancy in distance. CG, MOI, and ultimately spin rates will affect this. The reason? Loosely speaking better golfers are looking for more control and shot shaping – to do that you need more spin but will sacrifice on “distance per degree of loft” if you will. Golfers that are not as good, or don’t care to shot shape as much, and are looking for something more forgiving, can get the benefits of distance AND a decent launch and decent angle to hold more greens with their irons.

      So…. SV…. Looking at this one dimensionally at loft being just a number on the bottom of the club will literally tell you nothing. My 47 degree MB wedge will certainly perform VERY differently than a 47 degree club with the makeup of say, a P790. Loft does not equal distance.

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      Jeff

      4 years ago

      Are there any tests that demonstrate a significant distance gap between two wedges with the same loft and same shaft. That would be interesting.

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