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We Tried It: Attending A LIV Event

Theres a lot of cool gear in the golf world that doesn’t always fit into Most Wanted Tests or Buyer’s Guides. You still want to know how it performs. In our We Tried It series, we put gear to the test and let you know if it works as advertised.

What We Tried

Attending the first round of LIV Nashville, a 54-hole tournament organized by LIV Golf.

Your Reviewer

Sean Fairholm, a longtime golf journalist who genuinely tried to come into the day with an open mind.

We Tried It: Attending A LIV Event

If you’ve been reading MyGolfSpy for the past six months, you will know that I’ve been critical of the divide in professional golf. In my opinion, the game is not big enough to be fractured and still have success over the long haul.

I’ve voiced my displeasure with LIV for multiple reasons, but the overarching frustration is that the product appears to be a watered-down version of PGA Tour golf. LIV has created a league of 54-hole exhibition events that the masses don’t seem to gravitate to, as evidenced by minuscule TV ratings. I have probably watched no more than 30 minutes of LIV coverage over the past two years. I have no emotional connection to the tournaments, results or most of the players—so I haven’t made it far with my viewing experience.

Having said all of that, it feels like LIV is going to be a part of the golf ecosystem moving forward. It might look different in the future if the Tour and Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund strike a deal, but LIV is acting like it will be around for many years.

Given that LIV is now in Year Three and has had the opportunity to settle in as a league, I’ve found myself curious about the experience of attending an event—and being a media member at an event. I’ve published some negative articles about LIV and its players (to be fair, I’m plenty critical of the Tour as well) and wasn’t even sure if they would grant my credential request.

Well, I applied for a credential last week and it was approved within 24 hours.

The LIV Nashville tournament was played at The Grove, a Greg Norman-designed (right, that makes sense) private club about 45 minutes from where I live. There would never be a more convenient time to attend a LIV tournament so I figured it was worth a shot (also, the Instagram ads were relentless).

I was also particularly interested to see the response to Bryson DeChambeau just a handful of days after winning the U.S. Open in dramatic fashion.

In this unusual installment of the “We Tried It” series, I will take you through my day at LIV Nashville. I will also compare the overall experience (including from a media member perspective) with what it’s like to cover Tour events, which I’ve done a few dozen times.

Getting There/Check-In Process

The Grove is in College Grove, some 45 minutes south of Nashville. It’s about 13 miles southeast of Franklin, a pleasant city of 83,000 known for its festivals. I wouldn’t say The Grove is in the middle of nowhere but it’s not a quick trip for Nashvillians as we manage the potential horrors of I-65.

Nashville has not hosted a Tour event since 1946. The PGA Championship came to Louisville this year (about two and a half hours away) and the FedEx St. Jude Classic is held in Memphis each year (three hours away), but the best golfers in the world have rarely competed in Nashville. There is an annual Korn Ferry Tour event in Franklin—that’s about it. As for LIV, this is the first time the league has been to Nashville.

Basically, Nashville is starved for pro golf. I thought the crowds could be boisterous and plentiful, even for Round One on a Friday afternoon when temperatures reached 92 degrees with 50 percent humidity (the broadcast said the “feels like” temperature was 105). Tickets were “nearly sold out” according to press information I received two days before the event.

With that in mind, I left for College Grove around 10:30 a.m. to ensure I would make it in time for the 12:15 p.m. shotgun start.

As is typical with golf media, I was given a parking pass in a lot five minutes from the course. When I arrived at 11:15 a.m., there were about 200 cars in the lot. About 10 minutes later, the shuttle brought me to the front gates of the tournament. Once I stepped off the shuttle, the media center was 20 yards to my left. In less than a couple minutes, I had my credential and access to the media center.

The media center was on par with what you would find for a regular Tour event: professional and spacious. They did not have Diet Coke (devastated) but the food (BBQ sandwiches, roasted potatoes and carrots) was pretty good.

As for my track record for criticizing LIV and some of the league’s players, I never heard a word from anyone. It seemed like the large majority of media there were working for LIV. All 13 teams have a social media manager and I saw several carts labeled for social media staff. This is consistent with the Tour, as modern-day media centers have become less populated by local media or beat reporters.

After a quick lunch, it was time to head out to the course for the start of play.

Setting The Scene

Before I get into my day, I wanted to describe the infrastructure of the tournament.

The buildout is every bit as impressive as a middle-of-the-road Tour event. There were massive grandstands on holes 15 and 18. The merchandise area had its own tent. There were hydration stations and dozens of fans blasting cool mist. The practice area was incredibly nice with team logos spray-painted on the grass. There were tons of volunteers and staff working the tournament.

It felt like a legitimate, professionally organized event. The PGA Championship at Valhalla (which is held by the PGA of America and not the PGA Tour) felt more disorganized overall.

I came away with very few gripes about LIV’s logistics. The only glaring weakness I found was that lines for concessions were consistently long and not moving quickly, although I was told this improved on Saturday and Sunday. Prices seemed pretty standard relative to other sporting events I’ve attended.

The centerpiece of the buildout was a fan village designed specifically in Nashville style, complete with hay and picnic areas. Most of the stations in the village mentioned the city. There were …

  • A sweet tea dunk tank where an accurate throw of a football sent the willing (or unwilling) volunteer into a red Solo cup full of sticky, sugary sweet tea. There was no line for this and I never saw anyone try it over the 20 minutes of being in the village. Understandable. This one might have been a miss.
  • A “Game of Thrones” chair with all 13 LIV teams included.
  • A mural wall with wings, which is an ode to a similar style of mural in downtown Nashville.
  • The “Drive Down Broadway” station where spectators could hit balls.
  • The “Knockin’ Boots” station, a beanbag toss in the style of a carnival game.
  • Food trucks from local restaurants.

Overall, I think the fan village makes sense for this type of an event. There were a lot of kids attending, so the village offered some activities for them to do, even if it was only for a few minutes. A lot of families camped out near this area, especially due to the excessive heat.

Another key area of the buildout was on the 14th and 15th holes.

The 14th hole had a giant mini-golf guitar, a large food truck park and a stage for local artists to play music. When I stopped by, a band was playing “Hotel California” to a group of 40 or 50 people eating lunch. There was also a screen next to the stage where you could watch the golf.

The par-3 15th was the party hole. Grandstands surrounded most of the hole and blaring music was played throughout, even while golfers were hitting. When players came to the tee box, they were announced in the style of a baseball player coming up to bat. There was a large screen that served as a de facto Jumbotron and sometimes panned to the crowd.

The course featured several screens where golf could be watched. There were more large screens than the typical Tour event I’ve attended.

Atmosphere

Have you ever seen the movie “Everything Everywhere All At Once”? The title of the movie is accurate. There is a lot going on and I’m not sure I understand it all.

LIV Nashville gave me a similar feeling. It’s constant stimulation. Which, to be fair, is a trademark of downtown Nashville where tourists are met with a wall of persistent noise, flashing lights and drunken stupor.

Once I came out of the media center, a throng of spectators was milling around the main entrance near the first tee and 18th green. A man on a loudspeaker started to shout excitedly.

“We only have 13 minutes remaining until LIV Nashville gets underway!” he said. “The greens have been double-cut and the players are ready to go. Our rounds only take four and a half hours, so make sure you keep up with the pace!”

A few minutes later, there was a parade of some 60-plus Icon golf carts, each carrying one player and one caddie to their respective holes.

Immediately after the processional, four parachuters came down from the sky. Two of them landed on the 18th green and two of them landed on the first fairway.

Fans started to line the first hole where DeChambeau, Jon Rahm and Carlos Ortiz would be starting. I’m a poor judge of guessing how big crowds are but it was a significant number of people. My estimate would be at least a couple of thousand people from the tee box through the green.

In terms of the number of people attending, it slightly exceeded my expectations. The turnout was strong but nothing crazy. It was very manageable to walk around and watch golf.

The gallery was enthusiastic and engaged with DeChambeau as the clear favorite. Greg Norman walked the entire hole right next to the U.S. Open champion, taking stock of the crowd as they chatted. The following day, Norman tended the flag for DeChambeau’s tee shot on the 15th. Yes, Norman loves attention.

I left DeChambeau after this hole but the bulk of the gallery followed him. When I caught back up with the group on No. 9, the gallery was still just as large. Watching on the broadcast, the crowd seemed to dissipate for parts of the back nine.

There were some areas of the course where nobody was out there. I later followed a random group on 16 and 17—maybe 10 people were watching. The majority of people congregate at the party hole, No. 18 or following a couple of the star players.

If you are a golf fan interested in following a professional golfer with very few people around on the majority of the holes, LIV would be great for you.

One narrative I don’t think is accurate is how LIV players interact with the crowd more than Tour players interact with a gallery. Other than DeChambeau, every other player pretty much went about their business.

On the flip side, another narrative is that LIV players don’t care about their performance because they have guaranteed contracts and none of it matters. While there is validity to this, I saw several players getting frustrated after shots, working through AimPoint techniques and talking at length with their caddie. I think golfers are naturally competitive when they are on the course. Even if the results don’t necessarily matter that much, pros don’t want to be embarrassed.

Is the intensity level lower? Of course. But I don’t think the intensity level is zero.

Another part of the experience I was curious about was the music. The 15th hole had non-stop blaring music, which I expected. The part I didn’t think about was that every hole has speakers at the tee and green. And they are all playing different music. This definitely feeds into the member-guest feel of the tournament.

As for the crowd itself, it’s about what you expect. It’s golf catered to Morgan Wallen fans, if you know what I mean. I do think there were a a significant number of people from Nashville who came out to see DeChambeau and other top players without putting much additional thought into it—which is totally fair in my book.

However, LIV absolutely attracts a specific demographic.

As an aside, there were country concerts after the Friday and Saturday rounds. Dan and Shay, a well-known band in the genre, performed on Saturday night. I didn’t attend but was told by a friend that it was a great concert. It seemed like a decent amount of people came out for it based on the photos I saw (the Tour also regularly has concerts at its events, but I thought it was worth mentioning).

(Photo by Jeff Marsh/LIV Golf)

Merchandise

After leaving the DeChambeau group, I headed to check out the merchandise tent, which was directly across from the aforementioned fan village.

My biggest surprise of the day—and it’s not even close—is the success of the merch shop.

I had a preconceived notion that fans don’t buy LIV apparel because it’s all, you know, clip art logos and corny team names. To go along with that, I thought the fans who came were just there to get drunk while golf was played in the background. I didn’t think actual LIV fans existed in meaningful numbers.

Well, this experience has me reevaluating some of those assumptions.

The shop was only 1,500 square feet or so, but a steady stream of people moved through every time I passed that area of the course.

“What was the damage?” a spectator asked his friend after exiting the shop. “Just spent $160 on Fireballs gear.”

The hats were $40 a piece. And, my God, people were wearing them. I legitimately saw no fewer than 200 Crushers hats (for the uninitiated, this is the team DeChambeau captains).

I was particularly stunned to see how many people were wearing generic LIV gear. How often do you see a fan sporting a PGA Tour shirt? Not often. But people wanted the LIV merchandise. This spanned all demographics, too. Little kids, old ladies, frat bros—everyone got involved.

I would guess that 25 percent of the gallery wore some form of LIV gear. And more than half of that gear came with a Crushers logo—a golf ball “skull” with two tees crossed below.

This had me confused, so I went and talked to a few fans who were wearing Crushers hats.

“People say that nobody cares about LIV but look at all of the people out here,” one person explained while pointing to the gallery surrounding the 15th. “We just want to watch golf and have a good time.”

The conclusion I reached is that people have exponentially more affinity for players rather than teams.

People love Bryson. The logo represents Bryson more than anything else someone could wear. So people wear the logo.

This goes for a few other players. Brooks Koepka has made an upside down “Smash” hat popular. And I must have seen 20 to 25 people wearing that. It’s more symbolic of their Koepka fandom rather than their love of the actual team. The RangeGoats apparel, led by Bubba Watson, also seemed to be a main choice.

As for people wearing the LIV logo itself, I got the impression that it carries an anti-establishment connotation. There is definitely appetite for LIV-goers to be contrarian.

Regardless, I’m legitimately impressed that the merchandise is so successful.

Did Attending Change My View Of LIV?

Yes, it did. LIV Nashville slightly exceeded my expectations.

Some of the positives I saw:

  • Infrastructure, buildout and logistics were well executed for the most part.
  • Successful merchandise shop.
  • Fans were plentiful and more engaged with the golf than I thought they would be.
  • Tremendous access to watch golf shots outside of areas where fans congregate.

Some of the negatives I saw:

  • Too much competing music throughout the course.
  • Exhibition nature of the event can make it a little boring after a while if you are just there for the golf.
  • Concession lines seemed excessive relative to the number of people.
  • The course, while well-conditioned, had virtually no personality.

I think it’s fair to say that some people do care about LIV—or at least they care about some of its players. And when you have a golf-starved area like Nashville, a lot of people are going to come out to watch.

LIV should focus on these parts of the country/world. Going to a place like Houston is a miss—that is a city that already has a women’s major and a regular Tour event. Nashville has way more of an appetite for something like LIV.

My primary concern moving forward is that LIV is a pretty bland TV product. A solid in-person experience is important but you can’t have success without nailing down the TV aspect.

I’m writing a story for next week that talks about some of the tweaks LIV could make to improve. I’m cynical about the long-term success of the league but that doesn’t mean it can’t make some realistic strides in the right direction.

Ultimately, LIV isn’t something I’m interested in watching on a consistent basis. I go to golf tournaments to watch meaningful golf and it doesn’t feel like meaningful golf. That doesn’t mean other people can’t enjoy it.

Have you been to a LIV event? Would you want to try one? Let me know below in the comments.

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Sean Fairholm

Sean Fairholm

Sean Fairholm

Sean is a longtime golf journalist and underachieving 8 handicap who enjoys the game in all forms. If he didn't have an official career writing about golf, Sean would spend most of his free time writing about it anyway. When he isn't playing golf, you can find Sean watching his beloved Florida Panthers hockey team, traveling to a national park or listening to music on his record player. He lives in Nashville with his wife and dog (of course the dog's name is Hogan).

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      Ned

      15 hours ago

      “Exhibition nature of the event can make it a little boring after a while if you are just there for the golf.” Want to talk about boring the PGS has become a real snooze fest. The LIV has pumped some live back into the sport. I for one other than the majors don’t really enjoy watching the PGA anymore.

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      QuadU

      16 hours ago

      Sean – Thanks for the in-depth analysis. I attend a few PGA/LPGA/Seniors events each year and am curious about the LIV experience. I hope to attend an event in the coming months because like you I have found the TV offer lacking. Hoping the live version has more to offer because I really do like team golf and hope there is a future for more of those as things evolve between the you’re and LIV.

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      jb

      1 day ago

      “As for my track record for criticizing LIV and some of the league’s players, I never heard a word from anyone.”

      That’s pretty funny, at least you’re honest about being irrelevant.

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      James C

      20 hours ago

      Maybe so, but many leagues/teams can be very petty about things like this. Roger Goodell had Dave Portnoy kicked out of the Super Bowl. Good on LIV for trying to reach out to detractors vs banning them.

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      Dave Lindsay

      1 day ago

      I’ve been to 2 LIV golf events and enjoyed both of them very much. I attended Tulsa last year, and Vegas this year. I was very impressed with the production of the events and particularly the logistics for fan movement in and out of the tournaments. At Vegas I followed Bryson a big part of the day as he was on a pace to possibly break 60 again with like 9 birdies thru his first 12 holes. Watching him drive the ball I thought to myself how would anyone beat him when he drives it like he was that day, and throwing in darts with his wedges. He faded toward the end of the round and DJ hang on to win but it was exciting. My only negative from either event was the lack of direction to restrooms, and that they were all congregated into a small area of the course which meant you could find yourself far from the port a pot when nature called. Also, I will say that Bryson in Vegas last February was nothing like Bryson today. He did not interact with fans really at all and was strictly business, totally focused on golf. But his game was super impressive which is fine with me as I am there to see great golf and have at both events. In Tulsa I followed P. Reed for 5 or 6 holes and got to see some of the short game shots that has earned his reputation as one of the best for that aspect of the game.
      I think the LIV haters are just that and the vast majority have made up their minds without watching or attending an event. The team aspect is a lot of fun to follow with huge purses on the line from every shot of all 4 team members regardless of how they are performing on the individual side of the tournament. I also like how the whole team stay’s and cheers for their teammate who is trying to win and then celebrates with them if they do win the event. The champagne celebrations are awesome for team and the individual winner as well. Juaquin Neiman appears to be an expert at spraying a champagne bottle and should be as much as he has won this year both individually and with team Torque. I’ll close just thanking you for attending and the well written article.

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      Livininparadise

      2 days ago

      I appreciate the “open mind”, but I am done with people saying these guys are playing exhibition matches. These guys are all competitors who got where they got because they want to win.

      The facts you presented provided good insights on the event. Your opinions were exactly that, opinions.

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      Jeff H

      1 day ago

      This stupid thing about exhibition matches is another talking point from the pgat to it’s base. BS. With $4,000,000 on the line for 1st place when a bunch of pros (13+ with major wins) show up and can make that kind of money, uhhh, you just know that they are there to beat your A$$ and take your money. Anyone with a brain knows this is not anything like an exhibition. But they will keep telling us that to try and diminish LIV b/c LIV has roked their world. I watch both tours, but tbh, the pgat is really boring. If they didn’t have the majors attached to their tours, I think they’d be failing right now.

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      PHDrunkards

      1 day ago

      You know what’s an exhibition? the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL and even the MLS –
      because NONE of them have relegation to a lower league, they all play HALF a year (what are they doing the rest of the year?), and none of them play against other leagues, local or international-wise during the season to test themselves against the world
      ((even though the MLS is trying to become like other leagues around the world since they do play inter-leagues and intercontinental competitions, this American-slave based ownership idea of entities controlling ownership and standing to make sure no team ever goes DOWN is their downfall, huh huh pun intended and the proof of how boring it is to watch them play in their own childish ways for sandbox))

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      Joe G.

      1 day ago

      I’ve watched every LIV event broadcast since it’s inception. As a long-time golf enthusiast and PGA fan I came to LIV for Brooksie, but stayed for Bryson.

      My chief complaint about LIV is that it took me watching 2-3 tournaments to understand the team aspect. Now that I have a good grasp on how the teams work, I’m a huge fan of the format.

      I disagree on the exhibition comment. There are players with guaranteed contracts, etc. I would submit that as a startup league this was necessary, and the signing bonuses are not much different than the PGA’s congeniality bonuses.

      Something I didn’t take offense to, but now do, is the constant call to attention of Saudi investment in the league. The PGA Tour gladly accepts Saudi money, and the DP world tour is funded by Dubai. The criticism I hear is that Saudi Arabia sponsors terrorism and has a history of other human rights violations. While I don’t need to get into the weeds of why that should make them inelligible to sponsor golf tournaments, I would point out that Dubai was and still is entirely built by and supported by literal slaves. The constant reference to LIV as the Saudi-backed league is a tired and weak in the age of google, and will only resonate with more senior golf fans not willing to look into the claim beyond the surface.

      I’m still a massive fan of the PGA Tour, but I see LIV as reaching a younger generation and creating a space that is accessible and welcoming to a demographic that might otherwise spend their Sunday watching football, now choosing to watch golf, which is a net positive for the future of the sport.

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      ThankfullyNotaSeppo

      15 hours ago

      The whole Saudi Arabia thing is bought up solely to dismiss and diminish from a moral high horse with 3 broken legs and a lame hoof… Those that bring it up, do so whilst being entirely indifferent to the USA’s own vast and continuing issues and thirst for blood… It’s a moot point for the remaining over 6.5 billion people of the world knowing full well NO country is clean….

      Notalentlefty

      2 days ago

      I have tried to watch LIV on TV. The loud music and fireworks gives it a carnival like feel. Just not appealing for a guy 65 years old. They got great golfers but I can’t see why anyone would invest large sums of money to lose it like this. It makes no logical sense.

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      Chris Ridabock

      2 days ago

      Your article sure reads like you were looking for ways to support your desire to dislike LIV golf and were struggling to find it.
      You went in with a bad attitude and came out with a mediocre attitude… That tells me it’s probably a lot better than even I thought in person.
      I’ve been watching live golf on the TV broadcast and I find it significantly more compelling and enjoyable and exciting than the PGA Tour broadcasts. I think you can also see the impact out on the public courses: the young guys are rolling up with music playing in the cart having a good time laughing joking turning it into an actual sport instead of a funeral wake.

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      Birdieboy

      2 days ago

      F*ck LIV!!! I never have, nor ever will, watch LIV Golf. I will admit, however, my opinion of DeChambeau has changed since Pinehurst. I stayed in a house just down the street from where Bryson stayed (and Rory, Scottie, and a couple of others stayed at that club, too). His post win celebration included anyone who wanted, especially kids, to hold and pose with the trophy. Further, on Saturday morning, he walked over to a group of kids at the same club engaged in a golf class, and spent almost an hour with them. THAT was very cool!!! Kudos to Bryson!!

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      Kevin Smith

      2 days ago

      LIV golf seems on par with the pranksters you see all over social media. It exists only for clicks and likes. The fans all seem to be the 18-28 year olds guys wearing the backwards hat and drinking White claws. As far as television coverage, it is so hard to watch. I could take my 4 college communications classes and probably produce a better product.

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      Matt

      2 days ago

      I prefer to watch LIV or the dpwt over the PGA tour. PGA is too boring……we get to see two approach shots and three putts then a commercial break. No thanks.
      I do feel as though LIV should try more international venues…..and less American ones. Maybe they need to branch out into Germany or South Africa . I am from Adelaide and can’t watch much golf due to time zones but LIV makes it a little easier.

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      The Duck

      2 days ago

      Hey Sean
      I live in Oz and flew interstate to the LIV Adelaide event.
      I was looking fwd to seeing a bunch of great players in one spot and watching them live.
      I came away a bigger fan than before. I disagree with your comment that apart from Bryson, everyone else kept quiet.
      Maybe Adelaide was different, no idea why, but DJ, all the Ripper Team (OK, they are all Aussies), Adrian Meronl, Carlos Ortiz, Phil, Bubba etc all spoke with the crowd where I was. Some of the other lesser name players interacted with the crowd on holes apart from the Party Hole 12th. Anthony Kim was funny all weekend with the crowd, even though he finished last.
      Bryson was engaging all weekend.
      The best part was watching the crowd. From boys & girls, to teenagers, to 20 yr olds to retirees like myself. Was very easy to watch, great entertainment & looking fwd to going again next year.
      As LIV state, Golf but Louder.

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      Tony

      2 days ago

      I concur. I live in Adelaide and been both years and love it. Players chat with the crowd while waiting for shots.

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      GEToveryourself

      2 days ago

      The “no meaning” argument is just a complete joke. PGA PAYS PLAYERS TO ATTEND! If you think some garden variety PGA event has “meaning” for Rory or any of the other top players YOU ARE KIDDING YOURSELF. They are all multi multi millionaires who can retire now and never work again. And you think they play for “meaning”? Tiger gets paid to play EVERY SINGLE EVENT, win/lose it does not matter. And to say you care about the Saudi involvement is the ultimate hypocrisy. Just ridiculous. Typing on your Chinese made phones with batteries made with African slave labor. Spoiled American hypocrites are the worst.

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      Clint

      2 days ago

      It may feel like a joke but the golf does present like a weekend brodeo down at Streamsong.

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      Reality

      2 days ago

      Brooksy, is that you?

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      PHDrunkards

      2 days ago

      I’m waiting on a review of an LPGA event when it’s in the middle of the boonies where literally nobody shows up to watch, and you can then help the women understand why their purses are so small literally and figuratively LMAO

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      Aidan

      1 day ago

      Just your screen name tells me you are the typical LIV fan aka the drunk spewing conspiracies at the course that no one wants to be pairsled with….

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      Nathan royse

      2 days ago

      You lost me when you said it wasn’t meaningful golf. What’s meaningful about pgat? Dp? Asia? LPGA? Champions? And why isn’t LIV. I’m a golf fan, I watch it all and that comment seems misplaced. I was at Valhalla on Sunday and the venue was near misery getting to, in and out. And they ran out of Diet Pepsi and only had sugar Gatorade?

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      Frank

      2 days ago

      So true. I might to believe that baseball, basketball, football and hockey players don’t try because they get paid before they show up to the arena? It’s just a different model that golf fans may not be used to, but these guys on the PGAT are not sweating over every putt thinking about the dollars they gain or lose with every stroke. They’re thinking about their place in the standing and that standing amongst their peers. It’s the same in LIV.

      And while I appreciate the article, I think that you underestimate the influence that Liv has across the globe. I think it’s way bigger overseas than it is in the United States. Of course the United States is the cash cow if you don’t have a pif.

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      Greg Miller

      2 days ago

      I feel you are missing the best aspect of LIV. The team play is amazing on LIV. In PGA events you can watch hours of players who do not make much of a difference because they are so far behind. In LIV, every player counts in the team play. I thought it was gimmicky at first, but the more I watch, the more I love the team aspect of LIV. Additionally, it is all done in a little under 5 hours.

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      Rob

      2 days ago

      When you go into something already having a negative perspective its difficult to change that perspective. Credit that the writer acknowledged that sentiment, however to suggest the players dont care about their performance is a thinly veiled swipe. People tend to forget the players are people as well and they have injuries or simply other things going on in their lives….at the ejd of the day to be a professional golfer you need to be driven, a competitor and motivated ao i find those types of comments are usually written by people who dont understand what it takes to be a professional athlete (in any sport).
      Kudos for attending the event and attempting to write a non biased article

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      Pedro

      2 days ago

      I find PGAT broadcasts a total bore! I am a huge golf fan (golf 3 times a week) but find myself watching less and less PGAT golf with the exception of the majors. The broadcasts are awful, many players lack personality and they take forever to play. When I get the chance I will definitely give going to a LIV event a try.

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      Dan Bradley

      2 days ago

      I love the shot gun starts where everyone is on the course at the same time. I enjoy the LIV+ streaming app to watch and the lack of commercials is a real plus. I like the innovative features they use for tracking shots and putting lines. It also helps that they have replays right on the app in case I am out and want to know who played well. I really believe they have solid talent and the finishes tend to be very competitive. I am also deeply disappointed that players like DeChambeau are not considered for the Ryder cup and the Olympics in this country but are eligible in other countries. To much politics.

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      Matthew

      1 day ago

      Come on Dan. You don’t need to make up things or maybe you just aren’t very bright. USA players like Bryson are eligible for the Olympics (qualify) and the Ryder Cup (qualify or capt pick). The info probably wasn’t on the LIV+ app for you but a player exactly like Bryson was a Ryder Cup captains pick for the USA just last year when Brooks played.

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      Doug Thurwanger

      2 days ago

      It’s not real golf, and never will be with this carnival atmosphere, and member-guest format.
      What would Hogan, Bobby Jones, Byron, Slammin Sam…. think about this being a legitimate professional golf tournament? No need to answer that. Golf is about integrity and tradition, which 54 golf, uh, LIV, has none of that. LIV golf sucks, and so do the greedy players that are playing in these member-guests, enjoy that ‘dirty’ money boys, it came from the same folks that flew planes into US iconic buildings.

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      Paul McKenzie

      2 days ago

      So damn true. LIV is a complete farce as a a sporting event and this putting the despicable politics aside.

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      David Fitzgerald

      2 days ago

      I guess that means you’ll have to stop watching the pga tour then also now that PIF will be finding them soon. Oh, also I hope you drive an electric car, don’t drink Starbucks or shop at any chain retail stores. They have their money in almost every American company. This complaint is irrelevant.

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      BH

      2 days ago

      Meh…..still crappy. Good on you for the detailed write-up though, Fairholm. I guess you’re not on LIV’s kill or capture list yet.

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      vito

      2 days ago

      “My primary concern moving forward is that LIV is a pretty bland TV product.” LOL, have you watched other golf coverage lately? It’s all bland. The broadcasters all like to hear themselves talk. Really helps me when I need to take a Saturday or Sunday afternoon nap.

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      Fool4vokey

      2 days ago

      NBC & GC are unwatchable, CBS is boring me to sleep and thank God ABC doesn’t have a contract I hope.

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      Cole Parz

      2 days ago

      I much prefer LIV’s broadcast coverage. Watching on the app removes all commercials. The graphics are fantastic and detailed. The live mics are awesome and I like the range of announcers they have.

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      Chek

      2 days ago

      Ditto, much better production and you see more golf. Current PGAT is on the way out. Might several years yet, but just a matter of time.

      Bob

      2 days ago

      I was at liv Nashville on Saturday, it was a great time even though it would have been cooler on the surface of the sun then what it was at the Grove. That said it was more of a waste management feel then Augusta National. All in all it’s a fun tour to go to live. Yes the TV aspect is not great but I plan on going to next years event because you get right up to the players… like 2’ away at some points, the atmosphere is fun and light, and the players play off of the crowd so all in all it’s a great time

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      Darrell

      2 days ago

      LIV has made me a golf fan. I’ll watch LIV anyway over pga.
      They have been a pleasant change. Much more human like and have made golf more sport like. Not so uptight and players look like regular people enjoying the game and fans.

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      Garit Preble

      2 days ago

      Finally a post that I agree with. Honestly the most evening part of the liv golf idea is the fact that everyone loses. Even this guy. Not all of these players have received big upfront pay outs. You try and go out there and compete against this field. That would be boring. I’ve been watching golf. PGA style boring ass golf for over 40 years. The team aspect and scoring on Sunday for those teams and the individuals is and has been exciting every single tournament I’ve watched. I would love to go to an event but cannot afford it. And they do not get close to Jacksonville. (TPC Sawgrass world) But would love to see them live once day
      G-Man65

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      Cade Rousseau

      2 days ago

      Great article!

      I’ve never been to a tour event but attended LIV DC last year on Sunday. I thoroughly enjoyed the event. I agree with many of the points that were made in the article. The merch tent was great and reasonably priced. Concessions were long at times but moved quickly and prices were also reasonable.

      I find it strange that LIV is marketing their shotgun start in a way it seems “quick” for viewing purposes. I think they should take the approach of marketing it in a way that it creates a level playing field for all golfers. For example, some golfers playing in the morning rain vs golfers playing in the sunny afternoon. A shotgun start allows everyone to play in the same conditions so there are no excuses.

      With any “newer” organization or tour, they will have to work through the kinks. I think finding courses that fit the bill is their biggest issue at the moment.

      Internationally, they have no issues finding world class courses, but domestically it seems to be more of a struggle.

      If any type of agreement is reached between the PIF & PGA Tour, I think this may open the door to nicer courses domestically for LIV.

      They should continue to focus on niche areas that the tour seems to miss out on. This is currently LIVs bread and butter. It should continue to attract large crowds that have been deprived of good golf for many years.

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      Scott

      2 days ago

      I’m glad to hear that it was a positive fan experience. It was clear from the start that was a priority (not that this is something the PGA doesn’t do well). I do like that they focus on the general admission fan while the PGA and USGA events are increasingly being about corporate hospitality packages. I like 10 miles from Oakmont and they sure are making it a difficult experience for us serfs to attend. But the shotgun format just as you makes it MUCH harder to see the entire field unless you stay in a fixed location.

      I still don’t understand the purpose or design of their teams. The names are corny, the logos are basic, and I don’t recall any pimping of the selection process. Why would someone want to be a Crusher vs a Fireball? I’d love to see an OEM sponsored team. If the Crushers played Wilson Staff that would go further than some weird team merch that looks like a minor league baseball team.

      The LIV loyalist crowd seems to be similarly as divisive as politics are currently. People have chosen their tribe and are sticking to it for whatever reason. Some just to be an a** or a rebel; others out of principle or loyalty. I’m all for a more fun course experience like music and a lighter hearted fan engagement (opposite of Zach Johnson) but beyond DeChambeau, these guys aren’t engagers and the bro culture of events will turn away fans.

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      James Fawcett

      2 days ago

      Yeah who wants to watch multiple major winners turning up to every tournament in an event you can watch from start to finish without having to take a day off work, Liv works better for new fans wanting to watch golf rather than the old PGA retired old folks watching at home with an iced tea in the orangery. Also you will never get an unbiased opinion from anyone who has relied on the PGA for their career being a journalist, pro or pundit, they all live in the past just like the heads of the PGA.

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      Jeff Taverna

      2 days ago

      I completely agree James. Because it is different and in a modernized format does not make this an exhibition any more than the Ryder Cup. There is ranking and payouts based on performances. The shotgun start finishes the event in 5 hours vs 10-14 hours for a PGA event. Also I can camp at a hole and see every golfer if I choose to do this. LIV is an exciting fresh display of professional golf. Because it isn’t stale, does not make in exhibition.

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      EBJ

      2 days ago

      I attended LIV Tucson last year. This was only its 2nd event in its 2nd however my group had a great time. Knowing almost all the players playing made it exciting to see each new group play the hole we were camped on.
      The VIP area’s were top notch and the fans all seamed to enjoy themselves.
      Been a big fan of LIV ever since.

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      Daniel B

      2 days ago

      I went to Houston event, I thought it was a great time. The music is much more like background music in person vs the pounding sound on TV. The Ropes around the greens and tee boxes are WAY closer than at PGA event. Also the concession lines were not short, but they did have numerous cart girls taking drinks around. Overall I was super happy that I went. The parking lot was just as full as it was when PGA played at that course, but the course is so massive you could not tell on TV that a bunch of ppl were there in my opinion.

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      Dennis L.

      2 days ago

      I’m not a fan of LIV but I do follow the DPWT and since one of its players was in contention, I watched this once. John Catlin made the event for me. On the plus side, I was actually surprised that I found the team format somewhat compelling. I could see this on the PGA Tour. It adds value, promotes fan loyalty, creates merchandise avenues, and costs nothing to implement besides prize money.

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      Geno220

      2 days ago

      It’s a watered down golf product looking for the casual fan interested in a carnival atmosphere. I’ve no interest in it and only like a handful of players, most appear to be greedy douche bags. I pay to play as do all who read this and I get pissed when I hit a bad shot so that has zero meaning. These guys are prepaid participants able to add more money to existing wages and playing 54 holes which the senior pga plays except for majors.

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      PHDrunkards

      2 days ago

      So why are you wasting your life commenting on here? Go away, save your breath, save your keyboard
      LMAO

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      rkj427

      2 days ago

      Very well written and informative article on LIV.

      I do not watch it on television at all, and follow for the results of only those players I had any interest in.

      Based on what was reported, and observations from other LIV events, seems to be a way to get a more informal or casual person involved in following the sport of golf by including the other activities for families with children in attendance.

      I only hope that eventually Norman disappears, some resolution comes together between the PGA and LIV where all the best can compete again together other than a major, and that the events also enhance the fan experience for anyone who would choose to attend.

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      Bob Smith

      2 days ago

      I went to the LIV golf event in Bedminster, NJ last year because it’s very close to where I live. I had a similar experience as you. The music was too much for me, even on a lonely, distant fairway (but I’m over 60 so maybe I’m just a cranky older guy.) The party hole was rowdy, so I avoided it. Some other holes had very few people. The food and drink were very good, and they used many local vendors. The food lines were not so bad in NJ. The logistics were good, but it was a really long walk from the shuttle bus to the tournament because Bedminster had an unused 18 holes that we had to walk across. Also, the area is very wealthy so you can’t just park in front of someone’s vast estate.

      Like you, I do not care at all about the team concept, and was puzzled by the logos until I figured out what they were.

      Finally, the atmosphere was more family friendly and boisterous than a regular PGA event, which I think is a good thing for golf. Let’s be honest — for most kids, a golf tournament is boring.

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      PHDrunkards

      2 days ago

      Well, the turnout for Bedminster wasn’t HUGE like it was in Nashville or down under in Adelaide.
      LIV also tries to control the number of people getting in, anyways, because if they packed the whole course with 40K to 50K every day, it could get out of hand and the requirements for security in numbers as well the insurance costs for setting the event would be bigger, which could become problematic if it did get to those sizes, but as the popularity grows and the provision for security could be coordinated better, the courses will get more crowded on every hole

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      Travis

      2 days ago

      Love Bryson, but will not watch or support anything to do with this Greg Norman circus!

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      Jeff H

      2 days ago

      Man, you guys at golf spy are great. Overall, I love the content on your site. This article, however, misses the entire point. LIV has only been around for like 2 years. Think about that. The PGAT has been around over 50 years (since breaking from the PGA in 1968). The fact that LIV is already offering a product that the pgat even recognizes, much less, is worried about, is item #1 that LIV is doing a lot of things right. And also, LIV is offering fans something different, which the pgat would never do b/c of the GOB leadership in Ponte Vedra Beach. I watch both tours, but I am impressed so far with LIV. The pgat is suffering and you can see it. This is b/c they’ve never had any competition. The fact that a fledgling league can come along and in two years give the pgat trouble is eye opening to me. Also, the pgat has paid out less to it’s players over time than almost any professional sport in existence. Just since LIV came along, the pgat players are getting paid more. Does this tell you anything? The pgat has A LOT of faults. But none of you guys report on that. Why aren’t you asking where the $350,000,000 went that the pgat admitted under oath in front of Congress was unaccounted for on their books. This type of thing is WILDLY unacceptable for a non profit like the pgat. But no one is asking about it. Not the players. Not the media. It’s truly amazing how the pgat gets a pass on everything. Anyhoo, I’ll still follow this site, but the unending attacks on LIV are not hitting with anyone but the pgat GOBs out there so keep talking to your base.

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      PHDrunkards

      2 days ago

      Without LIV, the current PURSES with those silly “elevated events” on the PGA Tour would never have happened.
      As Phil pointed out, all of a sudden the PGA Tour has opened its coffers to spend money on bigger events that they had been hiding for all these years

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      Jeff H

      1 day ago

      Couldn’t agree more. The PGAT has been ripping off it’s players for years.

      Stephane Gauthier

      2 days ago

      I came in with an open mind and find myself enjoying it much more than the old boring PGA tour formula to be honest. There’s a reason people like team based events like Ryder cup. Who cares about TV broadcast.. that’s so 90s anyways. I can’t stand the old style broadcast analyst with their 50s technical analysis or the same tired old empty one liners (every putt turns towards water! sure!) People want to consume content when they want nowadays and so LIV caters to this.. I watch it on youtube when I have time. You might think it doesn’t matter to players but believe me it does… Instead of giving up on a sunday, where they can’t possibly get in top 10, players work their ass for their team as it means a potential team bonus. Money and season wide points mean more money too like the FedEx cup.
      I think it appeals more to the younger generation so to me it’s good for the game. regardless of what you choose. if people don’t like it they don’t have to. A lot of PGA fans (and i used to be one) seemed to feel the need to bash LIV like they are fearing it. No reason to. it’s entertainment. Watch what you like. and it’s free so…

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      Dave Hamilton

      2 days ago

      Hi Sean,
      Thanks for your article. I attended the LIV Las Vegas tournament and found many of the things you saw at Nashville attractive to the fans. I enjoyed the golf and had lots of opportunities to see the golfers up close and they definitely care about how they are playing and competing for the money and for their team. I didn’t read any insights you had on the team concept? I had thr chance to listen in on an interview that Bryson gave and he mentioned that these guys have been playing team golf since high school, so they enjoy it. Also, just think about how popular Ryder Cup and President’s Cup events are…team!
      He also mentioned the music doesn’t bother them…they are concentrating on golf and typically block out the sound. Interesting how a drone messes with Rahm on the weekend. Anyway…I am a fan, I watch the tournaments, I follow LIV on Social. I will be attending the Greenbrier event in August as well. Should be fun!

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      PHDrunkards

      2 days ago

      Rahm prefers music but sometimes the drone gets a bit loud on some holes where the music isn’t as prevalent and he uses that as excuse for his poor swing LMAO

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      Andrew the Great!

      2 days ago

      “Have you ever seen the movie “Everything Everywhere All At Once”?…LIV Nashville gave me a similar feeling.”

      Horrible movie. Utter crap, notwithstanding what the clowns voting in the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences said. Good to know that’s LIV in-person.

      As for on TV, I tried to watch. The screen was a chaotic mess of color and graphic nonsense obscuring much of the screen. After 10 minutes I was done with it. Looked like the Home Shopping Channel.

      54-hole no-cut shotgun-start tournaments with an extremely limited field of the exact same players every time will never appeal to me – not in person (especially if that movie analogy is even close to accurate), and most definitely not on TV.

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      Andrew the Great!

      2 days ago

      Also, this:

      “Our rounds only take four and a half hours, so make sure you keep up with the pace!”

      If I’m going to spend time watching golf and golfers – to wit: my son and I were at Pinehurst Friday and Saturday – it’s to watch as many golfers as I can. Shotgun starts and fast rounds greatly limit the quantity of golf you can watch. For example, at Pinehurst my son and I followed golfers in the morning wave AND in the afternoon wave on Friday, logging 11 miles on foot. We saw a LOT. Then on Saturday, we started the morning walking the course in order, 1-18, watching whomever we happened upon. When that was done, we went back out to watch certain players and from certain spots on the course. We logged 12 miles on Saturday. We were on-site at the US Open for 11 hours on Friday and 10 hours on Saturday.

      The point is – and this goes along with my contempt for Speed Golf – I don’t go to golf tournaments in order to get out of there as quickly as possible. I go to…wait for it…watch as MUCH golf and as many golfers as possible.

      The LIV Golf paradigm and extremely limited fields are not conducive to that.

      And for that reason, I’m out.

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      Mark

      2 days ago

      That has been my thinking all along. I don’t go to a golf tournament to get out of there as soon as possible. Watching it on tv a few times It is sad to watch some of the non star players playing golf with nobody watchin. I wonder how that feels for them. No doubt this for sure will resonate with bro golf youtube golf guy. I am sure they love it. Good for them. I hope they can come together. I don’t like team golf. Sure ryder cup/presidents cup is great, they represent my country so I am into it. There is a place for liv, will they ever make money? probably not, but I guess it doesnt matter for the PIF. I just wish so many social media Liv guys and pga guys would just quit bitching at each other. Enjoy golf, thats the point. I have yet to see anyone wear any LIV golf stuff in my area. Rahm just looks miserable. Maybe that will change. I hope so.

      PHDrunkards

      2 days ago

      You’re as stupid as when Lee Trevino didn’t think it through and said “how do follow groups on this format” = and don’t get me wrong, I’ve respected Lee his whole career, but his blast out about it like this was so dumb!!!!
      Following players or groups is the SAME on either format!
      If you have a fave player you pick, and you want to follow him, you go to the tee time or the hole where they are starting in the case of LIV, and you FOLLOW that group or player for the whole round! Duh!
      But if you want to SEE ALL PLAYERS, then you would probably STAY in ONE SPOT and watch them all COME THROUGH, duh!!!! I’ve done that at a few PGA Tour events – you CAN’T SEE EVERYTHING in ONE DAY, how is that possible with ANY format? You would need at least 2 days, MINIMUM – i.e. one day, you follow your fave player – that way you can see the player, AND the entirety of the WHOLE COURSE, whatever order it’s being played – and then ANOTHER DAY, you would perch yourself at the Party Hole or Hole 18 or wherever, DON’T MOVE, and watch EVERY PLAYER come through the whole day.

      DUH!!!!!!!
      You are so thick.
      But really good at making ZERO points without thinking it through, as usual.
      I usually like to go 2 days, minimum. And if there’s lots to do around the course with those fun zones, shops, food etc – I try to spend extra time to do them all

      Hopp Man

      2 days ago

      “Everything Everywhere All At Once” totally agree, if liv is like this movie, I have no desire to watch. Well TBF, I never had any desire to watch anything Norman and the bonesaw league is a part of.

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      Dave

      2 days ago

      “ILV isn’t something I’m interested in watching…” Period.

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      Tom S

      3 days ago

      I’ve never seen LIV on television, as it’s only shown on a UHF channel in Des Moines.

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      Midwest Golfer

      3 days ago

      “No emotional attachment to LIV or its courses” That sums it up for me.

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      Yummy

      2 days ago

      FREE on the App with NO COMMERCIALS!!!! unlike Peacock and all other stupid network TV!!!! and literally, FREE, if you have a smartphone or iPad type things.
      And repeat video of the whole round FREE on Youtube the same evening, 1080P HD 60fps.
      Or are you still stuck in pre-2008 on clamshell cellphones? LMAO

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      Jeff C

      2 days ago

      You don’t have Internet in Des Moines?

      Reply

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