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Here Are 7 LIV Stars You Have Already Forgotten About

One of the reasons I’ve been against LIV is that professional golf is not big enough to be chopped into separate products. Our attention spans are getting shorter and watching golf isn’t popular enough to grow when the talent is split into two sections.

With that being the case, the vast majority of eyeballs are fixated on the majors and certain PGA Tour events. Beyond that, not many people are watching pro golf.

That has created an interesting situation with many LIV players.

Many of these guys were among the most notable characters in the game. Now, in some cases, they have faded away as they play their golf in relative anonymity and then barely make a whimper in their major starts (if they even qualify for them).

For whatever reason—whether it’s money, lack of drive, injury, age or something else—these guys have fallen off the map. It’s a shame because golf is better when these players are in the mix.

Here are seven guys we are all forgetting about. For each player, I include their Data Golf map to show the Strokes Gained numbers behind their struggles.

1. Dustin Johnson

It’s nice that Dustin Johnson got to celebrate with the Florida Panthers as they won another Stanley Cup, because he won’t be lifting any meaningful trophies any time soon.

Just over four years ago, Johnson was the No. 1 player in Data Golf. He had just won the 2020 Masters and was playing some of the best golf of his life.

He’s now well outside the top 150 (a reminder that this takes into account all tournament golf played, including LIV). Johnson has missed the cut in six of the past eight majors. And he isn’t even playing well in LIV events.

I get that DJ just turned 41 years old. I get that he took a boatload of cash. I get that he has a family. I get that he won two majors and accomplished a lot in the game already.

But, man, he really fell off a cliff.

2. Cameron Smith

This one is deeply upsetting for multiple reasons. In fact, it hurts far more than anyone else on this list.

Cam Smith won the 2022 Open Championship in epic fashion. He was a top-five player in the world who got the job done with his short game more than raw power. It took him some time to develop into a top player, which was admirable. Smith was a fiery competitor, recklessly aggressive and fantastic to watch.

Just three years later, he’s an afterthought. Smith has missed the last four major cuts. He’s a borderline top-20 player … on LIV. That makes him a borderline top-70 player in the world.

Smith is nine years younger than Johnson. He could still have great golf in his future but we haven’t been seeing it for a long time now. It feels like he is mailing it in these days.

3. Brooks Koepka

While Koepka did win the 2023 PGA Championship after switching to LIV, he has now gone nine consecutive majors without a top-10 finish.

That is tough to imagine for a guy who used to rise up in nearly every major on the calendar.

It’s true that Koepka was never a dominant week-to-week force on the Tour but the golf he has played over the past three years is, on the whole, the worst of his career since he broke onto the scene in 2016.

Looking at him down at No. 72 in Data Golf is depressing. And without him being a factor in majors, there isn’t much reason to think about Koepka.

He turned 35 recently but could still have some gas left in the tank. Let’s hope there is some there.

4. Phil Mickelson

I hesitated to put Phil on here because of his presence on YouTube and uncanny ability to make the dumbest hot takes possible.

However, it’s on a relative scale here. It’s more about exposure than stats.

Mickelson won the 2021 PGA. He was on top of the world. Funny enough, he wasn’t playing good golf (at all) that season but he caught lightning in a bottle and was rightfully celebrated for being the oldest golfer to ever win a major.

Then he went off the deep end. In 2022, it was a year of Phil embarrassing himself.

Then he showed up at the 2023 Masters and … almost won? Wait, that can’t be right.

But since then, he has struggled to stay relevant. On the course, he has no top-40 finishes in his past 10 major starts. Off the course, the average golf fan has lost a lot of respect for him. He is now getting deep into political discourse brain rot on X (Twitter), which, of course he is.

Either way, everyone is thinking about him way less than we used to.

5. Talor Gooch

Oh, yeah! Remember him?

By the time Gooch left for LIV, he had built himself into a top-30 player in the world. Was he a superstar on the level of the previous three names on this list? No. Was he a solid player who could make the Tour Championship and compete for Ryder Cup teams? Yes.

Gooch is a distant memory at this point. He’s outside the top 100 in Data Golf and has only competed in one major the past two years. Is he a good LIV player? Not particularly.

He took the money and moved on with his life.

6. Louis Oosthuizen

I’m old enough to remember a time (way, way, back in 2021) when Oosthuizen had three top-three major finishes in a single season. He probably should have won the U.S. Open that year.

That season put him up to No. 3 in Data Golf.

Since that year, which was his last on the Tour, here are Oosthuizen’s major starts: WD-T60-CUT-CUT-WD-T23-CUT. He is now outside the top 100.

Like Gooch, he’s barely getting any major starts. The only difference is that Oosthuizen can play the Open Championship until he’s 60 because of his past champion status.

In fairness, Oosthuizen is about to turn 43. Similar to a few older guys I decided not to put on this list (Ian Poulter, Paul Casey, Sergio Garcia, etc.), it made sense for Oosthuizen to ride off into the sunset on LIV.

7. Kevin Na

We’re reaching a little deeper for this last one but he is worth a mention.

When LIV started, Kevin Na was No. 37 in the world. He played in all four majors and had a couple of top-25 finishes in 2022.

Na has not played in a major since then. He hasn’t even come close to winning a LIV event. And he is way outside the top 200 in the world.

This is a guy who won five times on the Tour and did a phenomenal job of keeping his card each season.

Nowadays, he wouldn’t even be able to do that. Honestly, I completely forgot Kevin Na still played golf. I saw his name doing research for this story and had a flashback like seeing an old photo of a high school classmate.

What do you think of these players? Can any of them turn things around?

Let me know below in the comments.

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Sean is a longtime golf journalist and underachieving 10 handicap who enjoys the game in all forms. If he didn't have an official career writing about golf, Sean would spend most of his free time writing about it anyway. When he isn't playing golf, you can find Sean watching his beloved Florida Panthers hockey team, traveling to a national park or listening to music on his record player. He lives in Nashville with his wife, Anja, and dog, Hogan.

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      Gary Smith

      1 year ago

      I think this is a great article. Those guys are irrelevant. I think, truth be told, many regret their decision to leave the PGA. PGA fans are loyal. They are there to see talented golfers that very skilled in their craft. The golfers love the structure of the PGA and the rich traditions and legacies. LIV’s “no cut” takes away any incentive to master their skills. Money will not buy happiness. In many cases money can destroy a live. How much is your integrity worth?

      Reply

      VonPickle

      1 year ago

      Yes we have forgotten about them with the exception of Bryson, who keeps working his brand. Meanwhile plenty of more interesting new PGA players are always popping up. Theegala, Aberg, etc. PGA does not miss these guys. It just seems like the LIV players took the money and are now going through the motions. The “teams” and party atmosphere are lame.

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      Duffer1

      1 year ago

      Actually, except for Bryson I’ve forgotten about ALL the LIV players. Not in a negative “anti-LIV” sense, but I follow the sport not the people. Out of sight out of mind. Even when some of the Big Names come up I think “Oh yeah, forgot about him”.

      Reply

      Allen Geiman

      1 year ago

      What a ridiculous article based on world ranking points. LIV players are unable to receive any points from LIV events. I’m so sick of every media outlet and writers bashing LIV. I enjoy all golf but LIV events (on PGA non signature events) are much more exciting with better players. If you have never watched or gone to an event, your comments do not have any validity. In addition, the broadcast crews are great compared to PGA tour events which make them more enjoyable to watch.

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      [email protected]

      1 year ago

      Well said

      Reply

      Travis

      1 year ago

      Apparently you can’t read, which is par for the course for LIV Exhibition Tour fans! He used the golf data map in making his rankings. He explains it at the beginning of the article. “Here are seven guys we are all forgetting about. For each player, I include their Data Golf map to show the Strokes Gained numbers behind their struggles”. LIV is more exciting with better players tells me you know nothing about golf, again, par for the course for LIV Golf fan boys! The article is not wrong! They are all irrelevant now.

      Reply

      Esteban

      1 year ago

      Travis is correct. Data Golf has nothing to do with world rankings. Basically those LIV players all SUCK right now.

      BillyBillyBilly

      1 year ago

      It’s not world ranking points as mentioned in article. It’s Data golf inclusive of all tours. They just suck. It’s ok.

      Reply

      Greg Kirk

      1 year ago

      I agree, LIV is very entertaining and so much better than the regular PGA events. Looking forward to Dallas this weekend.

      Reply

      Leon

      1 year ago

      David Feherty flat out admitted he took LIV’s $ and ran from his previous job. Considering the source of that $, and the likelihood of their other on-air folks doing likewise,…. I’d say equal broadcasting skills, but severely lacking in moral integrity 🤔 👎

      Reply

      KR

      1 year ago

      What a dumbass take. I guess you can’t read….

      Reply

      Murray Krambeer

      1 year ago

      Who cares about NoLIV

      Reply

      Will

      1 year ago

      Kinda feels like the author wrote this whole article just to trash some people he doesn’t personally like.

      Reply

      Neville

      1 year ago

      I’m sure we could come up with 7 PGA Tour players in the same boat. How about Spieth and Fowler for a start.

      Reply

      Lou

      1 year ago

      The LIV players generally old and have lost their best golf, so they took the money and ran. If I was their age and fading fast. I’d have taken the money as well. But now LIV players complain about the PGA “blackball!” You took the money shut up and fade away. The “younger” LIV players couldn’t make the cut at most PGA Tour events.

      Reply

      Krauter

      11 months ago

      I know I’m in the minority, but other than the majors, I’ve watched much more LIV, than PGA golf this season. The LIV TV product seems to move quicker, and show more golf with less downtime (BS and 1′ putts). I’ll probably get mocked, but I enjoyed following the team competition on the side, too.

      Itouchthemuck

      1 year ago

      I in no way agree with how the Saudis treat their people but if someone offered me guaranteed money that sets me and my family up for life for a game that I love and obviously worked hard to be good at or they would not have given me that money then I don’t care that people forget about me. I promise not only will my family never forget about me… neither will my banker.

      Reply

      Chris

      1 year ago

      The older guys I get but why Cam Smith and Talor Gooch, they should be in their primes? Especially Cam, golf as a whole is missing out if he is not relevant. Just unfortunate.

      Reply

      Livininparadise

      1 year ago

      Nope. These guys are pros because they want to win, or hate to lose. Guaranteed money will not change someone’s drive to win

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      MMTwain

      1 year ago

      All these guys made a choice. They chose to get paid big money and play in a beer league format. As a result, their public awareness is slightly above people in the witness protection program. That’s the consequence they have to live with.
      There is no reason to respect anything about the LIV product. Surprise, surprise! It didn’t really grow the game and it was just a destructive move by a ridiculously rich regime that wanted to bust their way into a major sport to “sportwash” their atrocities. Good riddance to the players who chose that path. The PGA should hold tough and reject any merger or partnerships.

      Reply

      Kevin

      1 year ago

      It has not grown the game in America, but newsflash, there are golfers outside of the land of guns and blobs.

      Reply

      OpMan

      1 year ago

      “just a destructive move by a ridiculously rich regime that wanted to bust their way into a major sport to “sportwash” their atrocities” –
      errrr…….. the US led the way on that one. The Saudis learned from it LMAO
      Look at what the US is doing with “soccer” LMAO
      the Gold Cup is all PIF money, as is the Club World Cup, and then the World Cup next year.

      Reply

      One1

      1 year ago

      What consequence? I’m sure they don’t give a shit about what MMTwain thinks of them.

      Reply

      Bhtgator90

      1 year ago

      Guaranteed money softens your grind, that’s data son.

      Reply

      Livininparadise

      1 year ago

      Nope. These guys are pros because they want to win, or hate to lose. Guaranteed money will not change someone’s drive to win

      Reply

      Travis

      1 year ago

      dumbest statement I have read on the internet today!

      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Dumbest comment ever about guaranteed money!!!
      In practically every other major sport – MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL – they are ALL guaranteed money – they get paid a salary – they might get extra if the team wins the whole thing at the end – but look at Pitchers just to narrow it down as an example – they sign a contract for guaranteed money.
      Only 1 team wins in the league – so all the other pitchers for ALL THE OTHER LOSING TEAMS who don’t even make it to the playoffs, shall we say – are they happy because they got the money, so their loss and poor performances are due to being soft because of the cash, right?
      LMAO
      What an eejit

      Reply

      MarkM

      1 year ago

      Forgot? HaHa – they’re all dead to me, especially MF’ing Mickelson! Hope they languish, with all their money, in LIV land for the rest of their careers.

      Reply

      Kevin

      1 year ago

      Guess how many of them miss you.

      Reply

      Livininparadise

      1 year ago

      These comments from a bunch of non-atheltes saying that they don’t care because they were paid is hilarious. All of the pro golfers got there because of their drive to be the best. They would all try to beat you out of a $5 Nassau. The LIV and PGAT signature events have given all top golfers all the money they need.

      Hey, i have an idea, do max homa and other pgat guys that now struggle. Tiger sucks now, do him

      Tim

      1 year ago

      Typical. LIV upped the payroll substantially for the PGA. Mickelson was right all along that tour players were underpaid and when he left they jacked up their purses. Why do you even care if Mickelson left anyways. He was over 50 and how many golfers win after that age? 8 to be exact and one of them was Phil. Something your boy Tiger will never do.

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      Mike

      1 year ago

      They all have dropped in points over the years because they are not allowed any.

      OpMan

      1 year ago

      Hilarious.
      And pointless slating as usual

      Reply

      Fake

      1 year ago

      I think Koepka has the ability to get some wins, and Phil is just one of those guys who will probably pull of an upset win one more time. Golf is a funny game.

      Reply

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