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Dean Snell Weighs-In on the Distance Debate

As the distance debate rages on, stakeholders, including those heading up golf equipment brands are weighing-in. Last week it was Titleist President and CEO, David Maher. This time around it’s Snell Golf Founder, Dean Snell. We doubt he’ll be the last.

While for many of us, the distance problem is a relatively new concern, Dean says he’s been hearing about it for 25 of his 30 years in the ball business. In the wake of the USGA’s recent Distance Insights Report, Snell shares his thoughts on the problem and where he believes the solution lies.

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      Misfit

      4 years ago

      A few ideas to consider.
      1) Go back to Pre 1995 ball performance.
      2) Reduce the incremental distance gain per Driver mph as the Mph increases. By doing so the longer longer hitters will still have an advantage but that advantage will be reduced.
      3) regulate the ball’s spin characteristics and aerodynamics, so that the wind and mishits affect the ball more.
      4) Reduce the driver size / characteristics of face to match persimmon.
      And remember, when Johnny Miller won the US Open he was using irons and woods that were very old, approximately 25 years old from my memory. The classic courses have had to be altered to the point that their playing characteristcs are not anything like they were intended when disgned. Where does it stop? Make the balls and drivers conform to the above specs and what would it hurt?

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      Keenan

      4 years ago

      The “pro’s” we are talking about here – I sense a bit of jealousy..reading between the lines – seriously the pro’s having been playing all their lives to be as good/great as they are. They are meant to take advantage of course conditions umm that is their job or did you mooks not get that.. To the pro that is not a long hitter…it is nearly impossible to not increase distance now at any age…At the professional level that is just BS especially when they have- hand and foot of every resource available but fans do not consider the whole picture…

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      10shot

      4 years ago

      Well said ⛳???

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      Mark

      4 years ago

      The course setup with longer turf rough/semirough/fairways + narrower fairways has already been used quite recently, remember Ryder Cup 2018?

      Longest hitters did not dominate this contest – the most accurate players scored best.

      Dean is 100% right on this one.

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      Robert Ferguson

      4 years ago

      Yes…you cannot dial back the ball, but you can toughen up the courses and put a premium on accuracy as opposed to raw power. I only watch the tournaments that do this…all others are just exhibitions,

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      Andrew

      4 years ago

      This is demonstrably false. Strokes gained shows that doing this actually benefits the long hitters more. Because the short hitter misses the fairway and has a long to mid iron out of the rough or just has to layup. The long hitter misses the fairway and they have a wedge. This is a huge advantage. The short hitter can’t make up that advantage by hitting the fairway. Hitting the longer club from the fairway isn’t a big advantage over hitting a wedge from the rough.

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      Mark

      4 years ago

      As far as I understand, the Strokes gained database is based on the current courses setup. Current database will be invalid if and when the course setups are made more difficult than until now..

      2018 RC Sunday singles – the biggest hitters Rory, DJ and Bubba all lost their matches. Coincidence?

      Carolyn

      4 years ago

      85% of public and country club players are never going to average over 240 yards in play any day of the week with anyone’s clubs or balls….but the hope they do catch that 280+ drive sells the balls and clubs….it is a dream for the everyday golfer and nothing wrong with that…..

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      10shot

      4 years ago

      Well said ⛳???

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      MIKE

      4 years ago

      Great post. This distance thing ONLY affects the men’s professional tours, period!

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      YouSeenMine

      4 years ago

      Literally sold me on his golf balls with that interview. I’ll support this guy.

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      joe

      4 years ago

      nice to hear a well reasoned position on something these days. thank you

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      Jose Rolz

      4 years ago

      Mr. Snell is a real expert on the subject. Plus he tells it so clearly. He is spot on. Worst thing that could happen for the Tour is for shorter hitters to have to hit 3 or 4 irons into 11-12 Stimpmeter greens, while the long hitters would be hitting 7, 8, or 9 irons. It would be no contest. The USGA should listen to what Mr. Snell is saying.

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      Brett

      4 years ago

      The solution is making the forgiveness area on a club smaller and adding a little more spin to the ball. Back in the day you would only go 75-80% at a drive in fear of if you went 100% you had a much bigger chance of miss hitting it. The big goons that went 100% would inevitably hit 2-3 off the map and have 2-3 big numbers per round. So you had to reign it in and have discipline on when to go all out or not. Now you can just go all out and hit it straight so why not bulk up and go as hard as you can respectfully with little fear of going off the map. This has been caused by ball having less spin and drivers being to forgiving. Should be easy fix!

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      MIKE

      4 years ago

      Not sure what your goal is here…making the game less easy for us amateurs & shrinking the game? As a 15 index, why the heck would I want a less forgiving club? Or a ball that negatively affects my game more? What is this “back in the day”? Huh? It’s 2020, the ‘day’ is now. And watch film of Jack or Arnie hitting drives in their prime….they certainly don’t look as if they’re going “75-80%”.

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      Brett

      4 years ago

      Mike,

      This is from a players perspective. The guy that could control his emotions which is part of the skill of the game had an advantage.. Now here is little consequence for being to aggressive causing mis- hits .. why not make the hole a foot wide so you can score better. So everyone will never miss a 4 footer. again. (Why not.. because there is a lot of technique, skill, focus, and ability in controling your nerves in making those putts and if you make hole so big it takes that away from players that have that skill)
      The equipment has done this., it has mitigated part of the game that was meant to be part of the game.. Yes Jack an Annie went hard at it but they throttled it back a high percentage of the time and picked and chose when to go 100%. The game has become a putting contest because the ball and equipment has pushed everyone together with little ways to separate yourself with your ball striking.. And like I told my kids thru the years if you don’t like making C’s maybe if you studied harder you could make a B or an A. Maybe if you practice a little more to get better than a 15 index or play from tees further up that allows you to score better and enjoy the game more..

      Mike M

      4 years ago

      This is the best explanation I have heard on this subject. I agree that there is a disconnect between the USGA and the PGA players. But who is really complaining here? And whoever “they” are, what problem are they trying to solve? I never hear anyone that I play with, ever, complain that the pros hit it too far. I think Snell has hit the nail on the head the 4 factors for sure. I agree with him that rolling anything back hurts the shorter pro hitters worse than the longer ones. I like seeing birdies and eagles. I hate watching a guy win a tournament because 1 guy got the best lie over his other 3 closest competitors and was able to scratch out a par to win. So, USGA and PGA needs to start communicating and they can solve the problem if there are any? lets face it, the best will win if everyone has a fair course setup and the same limitations. The longest will still be the longest and the most accurate will stay the most accurate.

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      Lor

      4 years ago

      Dean Snell is the F@#king man!!!!

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      The Greek

      4 years ago

      Ooooooh, and I still play my 2009 red stamp coleus too. Please don’t send me to prison. WTF!

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      TimoTe

      4 years ago

      Dean mentioned 4 key factors:
      1. The ball – over time spin reduction, limit of 255 ft/s by USGA
      2. The driver – larger head, larger sweet spot, trampoline faces, longer shafts, higher launch and low spin, COR limit and head size limit by USGA
      3. Player fitness – less penalty due to larger sweet spot encourages faster swings
      4. Agronomy – shorter fairways increase roll out, rough length and course layout because the PGA tour players own the PGA tour, but only US Open and The Open are controlled by USGA & R/A

      Let’s be clear here, the USGA only have control over the ball and clubs. The PGA Tour is owned and operated by the PGA players, so the USGA cannot regulate coarse layout, course design, or length of the rough / fairway.

      1. The ball has a speed limit, a size of 1.68 in, and weight of just under 46 g. The easiest way to reduce distance would be to increase drag on the ball. In order to decrease drag, the ball would need to be less dense. The simplest solution would be to make the ball lighter. Making the ball bigger would change the interaction of the ball and the cup with the flag in it. Changing the core composition to a lighter material would make the ball weigh less. If the ball weighed less, and had the same size restriction of no smaller than 1.68 inches in diameter then the wind would slow down the ball slightly. If something like this was to be implemented, then only on tour and only for male players would make sense. I know it’s bifurcation, but why would we want to penalize short hitters like amateurs, LPGA, or anyone else other than the PGA male players. It’s not sexy, but it gets the job done.

      2. PGA Tour players, in the male game, have a huge advantage with a modern driver. A simple solution would be to roll back the driver to stainless steel and no bigger than 260 or 300cc. The stainless steel driver of old did not have a trampoline face because it would have dented. Another way to get rid of trampoline face technology is to make a regulation of face thickness to a minimum of say 4 mm or no COR, basically a board. This should translate into irons as well making all irons, woods, hybrids that are used on PGA male events to not allow any trampoline face, multi-piece construction, carbon fiber, or any other technology other than solid metal construction. Additionally, limiting the length of the driver to say 43 in would also reduce club head speed slightly. Again, only for male PGA tour players, and not amateurs, the LPGA, or any club events.

      3. The fitness of the golfer is always going to matter, and should be celebrated. The best golfers with the highest swing speeds will still be the ones hitting the ball a farthest.

      4. The PGA Tour would have to hear from all the fans in a collaborative way that shows negative attention on the accomplishments of the PGA tour players. I don’t see fans being upset when they bomb the ball.

      I can only hear manufacturers of equipment being upset so far. There is no incentive for the PGA tour to grow the grass, make tough pin locations, or narrow fairways. The PGA Tour is a business. The club manufacturing and ball making companies are not going to be happy to sponsor the PGA tour if their players are being limited. Additionally, the product that they would be using would be different than the product that is sold in stores. However, the products used on the LPGA, senior events, and even the corn ferry tour would still be the latest and greatest and the best of the best of the current clubs and balls used today. Again only major male PGA tour players would be limited. I agree that growing the fairway grass would be a great solution in part. However, the game that Jack Nicholas played and the people before him is not the same as the game today. The game since the mid-90s is different. The game since the early 2000s is different. What’s wrong with a slight rollback of equipment to help make golf what it was and see who rises to the top?

      I believe that the PGA Tour players in the men’s game would still be hitting the ball farther and having higher club head speeds than amateurs even if the club head size is reduced, the trampoline effect is taken away, and the ball is made lighter. The only difference would be that the ball would not go as far. Yes, the shortest hitters on tour would now be hitting it less distance as well. So, they would probably just play closer just like us. And is it possible, if equipment was limited from men in the PGA that women LPGA players could actually play in the same event and keep up with the men if they use the equipment that they have now? Wouldn’t that be exciting for women’s golf.

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      Bob Pegram

      4 years ago

      A number of things you apparently suggest (or just list as one of many possibilities?) would destroy golf. For example limiting the length of golf clubs to shorter than the current maximum length would discriminate against tall golfers as well as older golfers who can’t twist their bodies with their hips are turned toward the target at the same time they are bending forward (me in both cases). I can’t play with standard length clubs (too short). It would destroy my back. In general, limiting the distance a golf ball will go to less than now would take the fun out of golf. Some courses are already having trouble keeping the tee sheets full.

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      Eric

      4 years ago

      The length of a driver has much less to do with body dimensions and much more to do with finding a balanced ratio between distance and hitting the center of the face. The longer the shaft, the more difficult it is to achieve center contact.

      Nobody is too tall to use a 43-inch driver except Yao Ming.

      MBU

      4 years ago

      You are one of the first that actually speaks common sense. All of the problems in regards to distance was manufacturer driven, and people are still queuing up for the next new driver and will be when they are hitting it 400 yards in the air. And its not just the top players.. I have to compete at my club with 16 year olds that knock it past me by 40 yards. They just swing it as fast as they can, and get away with it 9 times out of ten.

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      Geoff

      4 years ago

      I just placed an order for another box of Snell’s….

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      DJA

      4 years ago

      Mr. Snell is a wise man. I enjoyed hearing his thoughts on this rollback issue.

      But he is in a tough spot. He may have to sit down one day soon and put his heart and soul into an effort to design a golf ball that performs worse. Who would want to do that?

      Nobody wants to say it, but I will. Why should we care that about classic golf courses that 99.9% of us would never be allowed to step foot on anyway?

      This is the root of all of this rollback talk: Little rich weenies and purebreds whining that their precious clubs are at risk of not being viable PGA tour destinations anymore. My lord, what are Spaudling and Muffy going to do?????

      So their solution, using money and influence per usual, is to inflict upon the entire golfing population, present and future, equipment rollbacks that makes the game less fun for all of us who actually enjoying hitting a golf ball. God forbid anybody would play golf for that.

      Part of being human is to strive to do better, Mr. Snell worked hard to make the ball better, club designers worked hard to make the golf club better, golfers worked hard to be better, yet the classic club guys sit on their laurels and cry about the ball going to far. They need to put in some work and make their golf courses better.

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      Jimmy

      4 years ago

      AMEN. I watched Riviera this week and I don’t see a problem that needs solving. Feels like USGA is just desperate to exert more control on the Tour after players threatened to boycott the US Open over the ridiculous setups.

      If they want shorter drives, water the damn fairways. The truth is, the Tour doesn’t want shorter drives. Only the USGA does.

      Taking about “the game” without manufacturers is nuts. Without healthy manufacturers, the game shrinks back to being a rich country club pursuit.

      The USGA is run by the same geezers that try to regulate things like stock lengths and gasp at mock turtlenecks. If they don’t pipe down, they’re going to see the pros break off completely & you’ll see courses playing by “PGA TOUR rules” instead of USGA Rules. There’s no law that makes the USGA the once-and-forever rulers of the game.

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      JW

      4 years ago

      Very well spoken. Agree that there are a number of factors causing this discussion. If you agree there is a problem, sounds like a two part solution. USGA/R&A can only control the ball and driver.

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      Joe Domill

      4 years ago

      best answers regarding distance so that l have heard, great interview.

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      mackdaddy9

      4 years ago

      The Governing bodies need to ask themselves what percentage of golfers in the world are able to over power a golf course? Are they going to govern everyone based on the outliers at the top and punish the average golfers? Make us all cheaters? I know for sure I will buy about 100 dozen balls before the change goes into effect.

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      rob

      4 years ago

      Good stuff from Dean I like the idea of putting in play trouble for the guys that bomb it in the amateur ranks because most courses cant afford to redesign their layouts significantly. Good for the person that can bomb it but the older courses pre metal woods were not designed for those sorts of tee shot distances.
      Good work Dean.

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      Jeffry Lester

      4 years ago

      Excellent interview. He’s right on with his message.

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      Glen

      4 years ago

      There is nothing that’s gonna fix the problem… they talk about shortening the distance a tour plater can hit but it won’t change the fact that some guys hit it 40 yds further than others… growing the grass or rolling back balls and clubs won’t change that…Like Dean said if you do that the shorter guys will never reach Par 5 in two and always be hitting long irons into long par 4….If you roll back clubs, balls and grow grass or shorten courses you’ll still have the same distance between a long hitter and a short hitter…Deans idea of setting up the courses to make it harder for long hitters to use there length penalizes those players because there big a strong….Did they tell Mark McGuire that because he’s so strong to hit from his knees or change ball parks sizes so he couldn’t hit it out…No….It’s a fact… some guys can hit the crap out of that golf ball and keep it in play and being a fan of golf nothing looks sweeter than a little guy like Rory hit that thing 350yds…It;s a skill that shouldn’t be penalized

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      mark

      4 years ago

      Idiotic. You wouldn’t roll everyone back 30 yards dean. Pure propaganda from him.. ROLL EVERYONE BACK. And yes if you bifurcate the rules, I am playing the tour ball.

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      Jimmy

      4 years ago

      He kinda botched the math but if you roll back the ball 10%, the 350 hitter drops to 315. The 300 hitter drops to 270. Instead of being 50 yards apart, they’re now 45 yards apart.

      Basically, dropping 35 yards off the big hitter barely narrows the gap between shorter hitter and long hitter. And in reality may disadvantage the shorter hitter MORE bc instead of teaching a part 5 with a 3-wood where the long hitter can get there with a 4-iron, now the short hitter can’t reach it at all.

      My question is this – does the USGA think McIlroy/Rahm/Koepka/Thomas/Johnson (current world top 5) are the “wrong people” to be top ranked, so they went to change the competitive balance? Or is this all about “protecting” old country clubs in the Northeast like Merion? We just had a great stretch of tournaments at Torrey Pines, Pebble Beach, and Riviera. The only problem I see is the USGA.

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      Rod

      4 years ago

      Deal nails it. It doesn’t take a genius to look around the tour at courses that have already done this on individual holes. Every golf fan knows about Hole #16 at the Waste Management Phoenix Open, but Hole #17 is exactly what Dean is talking about. It’s a reachable 332-yard Par 4 with a sand trap in front of the green and water on the left side of green and extends all the way around the back. It’s a very large 2 tiered green that uses completely different pin locations which requires different strategy each day. Don’t take away the big hitters advantage or reward. Just increase the risk. Is the juice worth the squeeze?

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      Garen Eggleston

      4 years ago

      I listened to Dean last year and thought he mentioned the ability to roll the ball back more to hardest swingers than easier swingers , his points here are spot on

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      Patrick Kohlman

      4 years ago

      I play Snell MTB-X for two reasons. One is from the MGS ball testing and the second is from listening to Dean Snell talk about making the ball and golf in general. He’s a highly intelligent person who cuts out the BS and makes sense.

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      Bandit Baker

      4 years ago

      Thanks for sharing a great interview with Mr Snell, I really hope that the USGA is watching (though I doubt it somehow)!
      But to summarise what Mr Snell is saying, “Grow the friggin Grass, stupid”!

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      Lou

      4 years ago

      Snell is without a doubt, 100% correct on this. Every point he made is exactly what I’ve been telling people for a while now. I don’t want to see tourneys where guys or girls win with -20 scores. I want to see them be creative, try different things and see what sticks. My home course gets quite a lot of rain and the soft conditions make it much tougher plus the rough is longer and thicker making it a real penalty when you find yourself in it, For our Club championship, the pins are tucked in locations they don’t put them in all season long. It does make a difference. Bravo to Dean for saying this.

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      HarveyDiamond

      4 years ago

      Dean is making great points. In my area of the country course records are generally a couple shots under par. If distance has changed things so much wouldn’t you think those records would have plummeted? Most course records have been unchanged for years. Dean is right, a course can be made to play very difficult with just a few tweaks. We have “tough man “ events where this is done. The courses are set up so difficult that virtually no one goes under par. What a hoot! We all have to use our brains to solve the puzzle each hole gives us.

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      Pat

      4 years ago

      I believe an interesting study would be to evaluate the impact on players’ scores and handicaps at tournament courses leading up to the tournament. This would provide a start to support the agronomy effect on scores and level of difficulty. To use a MGS method, I believe the study would show that within the standard deviation of all scores, the mean would shift higher due to the increased difficulty. I understand this relationship isn’t 1:1 but could be extrapolated to a point. I have had the unfortunate ‘dumb’ luck to play on two normally benign courses that were hosting Monday Qualifiers for a PGA tournament and those courses became extremely difficult. Dean speaks to the impact on the market if the governing bodies were to mandate a single ball, all you have to do is look to the model NASCAR is adopting to see a comparable impact. I am not a fan but every time they mandate a single source for a component to be used by all teams it negatively affects hundreds if not thousands in that particular supply chain. Great interview and insights.

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      JasonA

      4 years ago

      “There is a distance problem” – Dean Snell

      Only point I believe Dean missed is that if aerodynamics / compression reduces length by a PERCENTAGE then the big hitters have a proportionally bigger penalty and the gap between long and shorter pros becomes less than 30 yards.

      e.g. if current 320 yards vs. 290 vs. 250 – drops by 10%
      288 – 261 – 225

      Gaps go from 30 & 40 yards
      to being 27 & 36 yards

      But best solution would be higher drag levels where more ball velocity means faster energy and speed loss. In this case % penalty for bombers would be higher than % loss for slower speeds. Closing up the field even more

      But never taking power out as a part of the game.

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      larrybud

      4 years ago

      The % decrease doesn’t penalize bigger hitters more, because this is ALL clubs which are affected. So instead of having 12 yard gaps in irons, players would then have 10 yard gaps. So even tho the 36 yard advantage the bigger had went down to 30 yards, it’s still a 3 club difference on the approach.

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      JasonA

      4 years ago

      Fair point. While in turn there would be less loss in distance of irons for slower guys, but overall at 10% margins would equate to similar *clubbing* difference.

      However it’s not just clubbing that being closer makes easier.

      Even given similar clubbing just being closer together means the “target” is relatively larger* than slower golfer would have from full 30 yard gap back. Which inches the dial a small bit towards Skill department from power.

      Jon

      4 years ago

      Dean Snell presents a compelling argument. Thanks for the presentation.

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      Joe

      4 years ago

      Great interview. This is what people should be talking about. His points are spot on.
      Thanks

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      Mike Schiller

      4 years ago

      Very well said! Regulate the pros they play a totally different game then a senior like me! Use Deans idea of bringing course strategy back into the game!

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      Alan

      4 years ago

      True wisdom. I’m 69 years old and if I lost 30yds on my drives the game would probably become prohibitively difficult for me.

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      Steven

      4 years ago

      I know in the Pacific NW the players always look forward to the summer months knowing we will get an extra (20) yds. of roll with the big stick!

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      Bill

      4 years ago

      Totally agree Dean, who in the hell is the USGA talking too??? Go to your course & see how many tees a laying around, nobody is playing the back tees…..

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      War

      4 years ago

      Love Dean, and his products! I think one statistic that people aren’t talking about is how driver accuracy isn’t being punished today because of course conditions. I get that playing US Open conditions week in/out are not sustainable, but tell clubs that they need to reward accuracy and punish errant shots.

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      Charles DeVerna

      4 years ago

      Great interview. thanks!

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      TonyG

      4 years ago

      My Golf Spy is doing a great job of making this debate an open and honest discussion. I hope the USGA is watching!
      From an Agronomic standpoint (my area of expertise) raising the height of the fairways and rough moderately, is the best idea but not narrowing the fairways for regular events. Most people don’t realize the damage a US Open does to a course. When you narrow a fairway and make it rough, it takes months to get the height back to where it was and recover the turf quality..
      One idea (not saying it’s a good one) from this debate is shrinking the size of the Cup for tournaments. In the early 80’s, Dr, Duich at Penn State did a study on reducing the size of the cup just .25″. I could not find the results, but it was significant, especially on shorter putts. It would also keep pros from leaving the flagstick in when putting, since there would be less room.

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      TR1PTIK

      4 years ago

      I agree about narrowing the fairways, too many negatives involved. I say grow the fairways and grow the greens a little too. Force the players to make putts.

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      Phillip Woeckener

      4 years ago

      Dean is spot on about everything as usual. His idea of adding bunkers to the fairway at 290 and growing the rough and fairways is the way I would approach this “distance issue” as well. I’d even go further and simply add water hazards right at 290 to 320 yards on most par 4s. Force players to lay up to a number and then everyone would have a similar number into the greens. I’d also put water in front of the green on most par 5s, therefore virtually eliminating the ability to get on the green in 2 on par 5s, similar to #18 at Torrey Pines South. You can also remove the distance issue by making a lot of doglegs where players can clear trees to cut corners. All of this is possible without lengthening courses or changing the equipment.

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      Scotty T

      4 years ago

      ….but adds a lot of maintenance overhead that courses can’t afford. “Making doglegs” requires course re-routing, which is also prohibitively expensive.

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      Bob messer

      4 years ago

      Dean definitely hit the nail on the head make the courses softer and longer grass, only thing is the pga tour and players won’t let it happen, some years ago during one of these scoring too low episodes someone suggested that they use old time rakes in the bunkers so that they were furrowed instead of flat, thus no automatic up and downs, of course this went over like a fart in church, it seems all the pga wants to do about it is talk about it, they have their rules how they want it set up, and that is hard and fast

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      Scotty T

      4 years ago

      The furrowed-tine rake idea gets rejected because of the significant inconsistencies they cause with lies in the bunkers. Two identical shots into the same bunker may yield one ball sitting up on top of a row while the other ends in the valley. The players just want the same lie as the other guy that hit in the beach, with no advantage given for “lucky ball position”, which is understandable. I think Tour bunkers are too easy because of how compacted the sand is, but furrowed rakes aren’t the answer. And now we’re off topic….. lol

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      Scott Williams

      4 years ago

      Once again, Dean Snell ripping 360 yard logic bombs straight down the middle.

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      Tank

      4 years ago

      Totally agree with Dean. The man not only knows golf balls, he knows golf. You mess with equipment your going to hurt the manufacturers and golf. Players are in better shape than they were 15-20 years ago. Target the set-up of the course. Longer roughs, fuzzier greens and fairways are the key to respectable distance control.

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      Bob Pegram

      4 years ago

      Agreed on the rough and fairways. Fuzzier greens would be easier. Fast greens are tougher to putt.

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      TR1PTIK

      4 years ago

      Fast greens may be more difficult for the average amateur, but the opposite can be true for the pros. Slowing the greens would force them to putt more aggressively and mis-hits would be accentuated. Right now all they have to do is get the ball started on the right line.

      Rickie Fowler said as much at the 2018 Scottish Open it makes perfect sense to me.

      “I think it’s kind of nice because (you) actually get to hit the putt, you’re not just trying to hit it to a spot and letting it work to the hole unless you have a downhill, downwind putt.”

      “You have to use your imagination as far as creativity and trying to judge how much the wind will affect it. At the end of the day, you just have to hit solid putts.”

      “Slower greens may accentuate a mis-hit putt more. Whereas if you have a downhill putt in the States you kind of just have to hit it to get it going. Here, you mis-hit it a little bit uphill, into the wind and it can be a pretty big difference.”

      Siebs76

      4 years ago

      This is a very smart response to the golf ball distance issue, this is definitely something that governing bodies should look into as multiple factors are contributing to the distance issue and Dean make some great points on where they should start to possibly resolve issue at hand to make it relevant on all levels of play without hurting the manufacturing side, as limits of already been set on the ball and driver.

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      Allan Goldin

      4 years ago

      Excellent interview!

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      DaveD

      4 years ago

      Snell brings a very measured opinion and potential solution to the debate. Enjoyed his discussion of the impact of rolling back the ball on the tour long hitters versus the shorter hitters.

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      Chris Cooper

      4 years ago

      Excellent input From Dean Snell. I hope the USGA and R&A take Dean’s comments on board.

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      Mark Smolens

      4 years ago

      Snell’s position ignores the fact that the classic golf courses can no longer pose a proper, as designed, challenge to the Dustin Johnsons and Brooks Koepkas of the world.because the designed challenges are no longer in play. These modern balls go so far that the pros don’t care if they’re in the rough. They fly balls over bunkers, even over doglegs, because they can hit wedges and lob wedges from rough much closer than they could hit seven or eight irons from the fairway.

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      John

      4 years ago

      This is the most comprehensive and accurate assessment of the distance debate I have seen to date. This was truly a great summary of the topic and I think Dean Snell nailed this. Looking at one variable to solve a problem that is impacted by multiple variables is clearly a flawed perspective. I was truly impressed by this video and I clearly benefited from this. Thank you to all involved. It is time to stop pushing for the single “magic bullet” solution and looking at the issue as a whole. Ball speed is regulated , COR is regulated, the solution has to involve the considerations Dean Snell adds to the equation such as course design, ground speed etc. This was a great video.

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      JayKay

      4 years ago

      Dean Snell, as usual, nails it. Always a pleasure to listen to his thoughts and insights about the game especially the historical elements.. I think that what he says is obvious to most of us as how to fix this “problem” . Unfortunately the bureaucrats at the USGA/R and A appear to have made up their minds to limit the golf ball. and getting them to change course will be like turning a super tanker.

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      dave

      4 years ago

      On a facebook golf group. the last 1000 posts are from people complaining that 6600 yards in florida for an event was way too long…
      balls are not too long for anyone except maybe the pros. im a long hitter and rarely play from the tips. no one plays the tips. half the time the tips arent even taken care of….this is a pro level issue only……

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      Dean Vent

      4 years ago

      Well said, Dean! Mr. Snell’s analysis of the distance issue should be required listening for anyone involved in solving it. His suggestion of working with course set up to begin with for a year or two is perfect. Thanks, golf spy, for sharing this with us!

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      KC

      4 years ago

      smart dude…

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      Ken

      4 years ago

      Dean nails it as usual. I’d love to see courses on tour have longer turf in the fairways and rough. to see the pros challenged to shoot even par, vs -15. Do these guy really have that much fun shooting that low?? Where’s the challenge for them?

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      Scoot24

      4 years ago

      Of course the winner enjoys shooting -15 but as you go down the leaderboard approximately 40-50% of the field that makes the cut shoot par or greater. I enjoy watching a guy get hot and tear up a course. It’s not all about distance, it’s about accuracy. If you asked most golfers if they could gain 10 yards on their drives or become better at pitching and putting most would say the latter. Putting is what scores.

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      Evan Loschiavo

      4 years ago

      Guy hit the nail on the head. Same as what MGS has, for the most part, been saying since the report came out. His addition of some analogy’s in there are on point as well. All that needs to happen to make his company near perfect is change his logo….

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      golfinnut

      4 years ago

      I always love Dean’s take on stuff like this. He’s always straight forward & to the point. Everything he said makes complete sense. The USGA needs to talk to him. :)

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      Jeffry Lester

      4 years ago

      Right on. EXCELLENT!!

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